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I just got a shipment of about $150 of protein,leucine,creatine,etc……So,anyhows...I got lazy and didn't feel like cleaning out the blender and skipped the PWO shake one night and went straight to cheese,crackers and cottage cheese and apple turnover.Then bed.( I trained around 9:30 pm at home).Next night,still lazy.Didn't wash out the blender again(left it empty in the fridge).So post workout I go with the cheese,crackers,cottage cheese,danish thing again.I got big.So,I felt good and everything and did this several nights in a row.The PWO shake was maybe giving me a little anxiety anyway,because it was making my stomach a little jumpy(not much),but it kind of suppressed my appetite afterwards where I didn't feel like eating before bed,but I would eat anyway.I got bigger.I have also been upping the fats at lunch.Because I don't usually carry lunch to work,I have been getting pork and vegetables,pulled pork or chicken salad and cheese for lunch.I have been having half a scoop of whey first thing in the morning with water and whipping cream and 400mg of caffeine.And a few spoons of coconut oil.My protein intake was way down this week.I usually shoot for 200g+.I probably was lucky to get 150g most days this week.I eat supper around 6:30pm and have protein and carbs like Keifer recommends for folks who train late-night.But a few of the suppers weren't the macho beef or chicken.Some of them were chesse/crackers/cottage cheese.It seems like dairy proteins are real easy on my stomach compared to meats sometimes,like I don't even know I ate.The result of this wussy-like eating thing with no protein shakes(I usually have 2 or 3 a day) and not a lot of red meat (more because of no time/lazy),is.....my chest back and shoulders have gotten much bigger this week.Very noticeable in clothes.I mean really noticeable.My bodyweight has stayed the same,my bodyfat(measured by my 10-finger caliper has decreased a little bit).I am 6'2",about 205.But my shoulder width is crazy now,like watch out for the doorway stuff.So my question is...should I just ditch the supplements/whey for now?Should I just ride the wave?What just happened?
i find if you eat enough protein(which even for a performance athlete isn't a hell of a lot) having more especially through supplementation could be counter productive, at least that is what I have noticed with myself… it also supports some of what I have read stating excess protein makes the body less efficient at utilizing what you do intake which ends up causing problems..
i find if you eat enough protein(which even for a performance athlete isn't a hell of a lot) having more especially through supplementation is actually counter productive, at least that is what I have noticed with myself... it also supports a lot of what I have read stating excess protein makes the body less efficient at utilizing what you do intake which ends up causing problems..
Quite interesting, could you provide material by any chance? Much appreciated
What do you mean by you got “big” and “bigger”. Are you claiming your mass increased in three days? That's attributed to your muscles being full from carbohydrates, not protein.
i find if you eat enough protein(which even for a performance athlete isn't a hell of a lot) having more especially through supplementation is actually counter productive, at least that is what I have noticed with myself... it also supports a lot of what I have read stating excess protein makes the body less efficient at utilizing what you do intake which ends up causing problems..
Quite interesting, could you provide material by any chance? Much appreciated
one article with a couple studies although many studies are based on nitrogen balance readings which some people believe may not be the best way to actually determine how much protein you needhttp://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/brad pilon's ebook How much protein do you really need is a good one as wellin my opinion if you are the type that feels the need to actually count macros 1lb per LBM(not total weight) is probably a decent number but don't be overly concerned with hitting it all the time
What do you mean by you got "big" and "bigger". Are you claiming your mass increased in three days? That's attributed to your muscles being full from carbohydrates, not protein.
That's cool,I don't have any conclusions of my own.But,yes I BS you not about bigger,noticeably.Just reporting that I have been backloading for a few weeks now,and the training or my other daily activities are about the same as before CBL.The carbs and their timing is about the same as when I started CBL.The changes are that I have been taking in less protein,not by design,(mostly less because of less protein shakes) and upped the fat mid-day.I'm just a little perplexed by the result,and I would not comment if it weren't a noticeable amount.Who knows,maybe it's just a rebound thing that will be gone tomorrow
As I understand, having the right fat and the right amount of fat with the right carbs at the right time is a contest prep technique. I'm not a contest kind of guy but I've heard Kiefer talk about it a bit.
i find if you eat enough protein(which even for a performance athlete isn't a hell of a lot) having more especially through supplementation is actually counter productive, at least that is what I have noticed with myself... it also supports a lot of what I have read stating excess protein makes the body less efficient at utilizing what you do intake which ends up causing problems..
Quite interesting, could you provide material by any chance? Much appreciated
one article with a couple studies although many studies are based on nitrogen balance readings which some people believe may not be the best way to actually determine how much protein you needhttp://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/brad pilon's ebook How much protein do you really need is a good one as wellin my opinion if you are the type that feels the need to actually count macros 1lb per LBM(not total weight) is probably a decent number but don't be overly concerned with hitting it all the time
That article brings up some really excellent points. What I think is the more interesting question though, and one that is rarely discussed, is how much protein powder to consume PWO? We know consuming whey protein PWO increases protein synthesis, but I am not aware of any studies that use different dosages of protein powder. Say a control a group, a 10 g group, a 20 g group, 30 g group, and a 50 g group. It would also be nice if they controlled for protein consumption for the previous 24 hours.
i find if you eat enough protein(which even for a performance athlete isn't a hell of a lot) having more especially through supplementation is actually counter productive, at least that is what I have noticed with myself... it also supports a lot of what I have read stating excess protein makes the body less efficient at utilizing what you do intake which ends up causing problems..
Quite interesting, could you provide material by any chance? Much appreciated
one article with a couple studies although many studies are based on nitrogen balance readings which some people believe may not be the best way to actually determine how much protein you needhttp://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/brad pilon's ebook How much protein do you really need is a good one as wellin my opinion if you are the type that feels the need to actually count macros 1lb per LBM(not total weight) is probably a decent number but don't be overly concerned with hitting it all the time
That article brings up some really excellent points. What I think is the more interesting question though, and one that is rarely discussed, is how much protein powder to consume PWO? We know consuming whey protein PWO increases protein synthesis, but I am not aware of any studies that use different dosages of protein powder. Say a control a group, a 10 g group, a 20 g group, 30 g group, and a 50 g group. It would also be nice if they controlled for protein consumption for the previous 24 hours.
i think layne norton did a couple of these studies and he talks about it in a couple pod casts.. the tests he did were to see how much will give the max threshold for protein synthesis.. which i know I have read in a couple other studies as well.. they did what you say differen't #'s for each control group and for max sythesis they found about 20-25g would do it based on nitrogen balance tests.. the question is are there other benefits to maybe a bit more protein directly PWO and that's one question i know layne has brought up before.. also there is concerns on really how accurate those nitrogen balance tests are on determining muscle growth
i find if you eat enough protein(which even for a performance athlete isn't a hell of a lot) having more especially through supplementation is actually counter productive, at least that is what I have noticed with myself... it also supports a lot of what I have read stating excess protein makes the body less efficient at utilizing what you do intake which ends up causing problems..
Quite interesting, could you provide material by any chance? Much appreciated
one article with a couple studies although many studies are based on nitrogen balance readings which some people believe may not be the best way to actually determine how much protein you needhttp://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/brad pilon's ebook How much protein do you really need is a good one as wellin my opinion if you are the type that feels the need to actually count macros 1lb per LBM(not total weight) is probably a decent number but don't be overly concerned with hitting it all the time
That article brings up some really excellent points. What I think is the more interesting question though, and one that is rarely discussed, is how much protein powder to consume PWO? We know consuming whey protein PWO increases protein synthesis, but I am not aware of any studies that use different dosages of protein powder. Say a control a group, a 10 g group, a 20 g group, 30 g group, and a 50 g group. It would also be nice if they controlled for protein consumption for the previous 24 hours.
i think layne norton did a couple of these studies and he talks about it in a couple pod casts.. the tests he did were to see how much will give the max threshold for protein synthesis.. which i know I have read in a couple other studies as well.. they did what you say differen't #'s for each control group and for max sythesis they found about 20-25g would do it based on nitrogen balance tests.. the question is are there other benefits to maybe a bit more protein directly PWO and that's one question i know layne has brought up before.. also there is concerns on really how accurate those nitrogen balance tests are on determining muscle growth
I wonder if you can get the same effect as protein powder by simply taking leucine or BCAAs PWO and eating a decent protein load via whole foods in the hours pre-workout. I know studies show that whey+leucine/BCAAs is superior to just leucine/BCAAs alone, but to my knowledge, they don't mention how much protein the subjects consumed before the treatment. It wouldn't surprise me if the subjects were fasted.
I wonder if you can get the same effect as protein powder by simply taking leucine or BCAAs PWO and eating a decent protein load via whole foods in the hours pre-workout. I know studies show that whey+leucine/BCAAs is superior to just leucine/BCAAs alone, but to my knowledge, they don't mention how much protein the subjects consumed before the treatment. It wouldn't surprise me if the subjects were fasted.
yea i think they have people fast in most of these studies to try and make sure they have a good baseline to measure from.. so many variables that can go on with protein timing and muscle growth i dunno if we are ever going to have a really good grasp on it.. maybe one day.. until then ill just continue my constantly changing n=1 experiments 🙂
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