Lmao

Thanks for that eye opening post scope. Haha. I meant as in a legal alternative, not going full juice.

I mean they are research chemicals. They are not a good alternative to gear. A. They aren't anywhere as close as effective. B. For the money you really aren't getting any good results. C. They aren't well studied chemicals short term and long term adverse effects really aren't understood.Working in the pharmaceutical industry I can tell you a research chem is the last thing I would put in my body. Prohormones are right up there as well. For PH's the primary metabolite is known but most of the secondaries are not. PH's are pretty vicious on the liver as well. I understand that there is less shutdown from research chems but the reward isn't worth the risk IMO.I would suggest just stick to whole foods and basic supplements. You can make a hell of a lot of progress with those alone if you take the time to find out what works for you and then push yourself once you do. Once you hit your genetic cap (I don't think anyone on this site is anywhere near this point) and you still want more look at real gear. It is well understood/studied and is probably the safest thing to put in your body if you are set on doing that.If you are set on doing something right now then go with a non-methlyated PH and do research on the cycle/support/PCT. At least from that you will get better results. A sarm is a great way to get the least bang for your buck.

Thanks for that eye opening post scope. Haha. I meant as in a legal alternative, not going full juice.

I mean they are research chemicals. They are not a good alternative to gear. A. They aren't anywhere as close as effective. B. For the money you really aren't getting any good results. C. They aren't well studied chemicals short term and long term adverse effects really aren't understood.Working in the pharmaceutical industry I can tell you a research chem is the last thing I would put in my body. Prohormones are right up there as well. For PH's the primary metabolite is known but most of the secondaries are not. PH's are pretty vicious on the liver as well. I understand that there is less shutdown from research chems but the reward isn't worth the risk IMO.I would suggest just stick to whole foods and basic supplements. You can make a hell of a lot of progress with those alone if you take the time to find out what works for you and then push yourself once you do. Once you hit your genetic cap (I don't think anyone on this site is anywhere near this point) and you still want more look at real gear. It is well understood/studied and is probably the safest thing to put in your body if you are set on doing that.If you are set on doing something right now then go with a non-methlyated PH and do research on the cycle/support/PCT. At least from that you will get better results. A sarm is a great way to get the least bang for your buck.

i wouldn't say that.. i remember when methyl 1-test came out in the early 2000s it was an active steriod. I know several who used it and compared it to being just as effective as other oral steriods..  i will agree though many are not well tested at all compared to gear that has been around for decades so you are taking that risk of course which is probably not worth it

It isn't a sarm then.

Thanks for that eye opening post scope. Haha. I meant as in a legal alternative, not going full juice.

I mean they are research chemicals. They are not a good alternative to gear. A. They aren't anywhere as close as effective. B. For the money you really aren't getting any good results. C. They aren't well studied chemicals short term and long term adverse effects really aren't understood.Working in the pharmaceutical industry I can tell you a research chem is the last thing I would put in my body. Prohormones are right up there as well. For PH's the primary metabolite is known but most of the secondaries are not. PH's are pretty vicious on the liver as well. I understand that there is less shutdown from research chems but the reward isn't worth the risk IMO.I would suggest just stick to whole foods and basic supplements. You can make a hell of a lot of progress with those alone if you take the time to find out what works for you and then push yourself once you do. Once you hit your genetic cap (I don't think anyone on this site is anywhere near this point) and you still want more look at real gear. It is well understood/studied and is probably the safest thing to put in your body if you are set on doing that.If you are set on doing something right now then go with a non-methlyated PH and do research on the cycle/support/PCT. At least from that you will get better results. A sarm is a great way to get the least bang for your buck.

i wouldn't say that.. i remember when methyl 1-test came out in the early 2000s it was an active steriod. I know several who used it and compared it to being just as effective as other oral steriods..  i will agree though many are not well tested at all compared to gear that has been around for decades so you are taking that risk of course which is probably not worth it

It isn't a sarm then.

yea but things are labeled whatever the hell companies want to label them since there is no control on them.. m1T while a true steriod was sold as a "dietary supplement" many current pro-hormones are actually active steriod compounds..

Couldn't agree more here.