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April 7, 2014 at 7:45 pm #11003
aaricMemberI'm unsure how to interpret the “no carbs for breakfast” rule (or lunch for that matter). In Paleo circles, sides like broccoli, onion, tomatoes (fried in butter or not)etc are generaly not counted as carbs because they dont contribute net energy, however for our specific purpose not wanting to see any insulin in the first part of the day should these be avoided? I have problems having nothing but meat/eggs as a meal without knowing exactly why. I "need" a side of vegetables (cucumber/salad/etc) for "balance" but wondering if I'm negating the effects of cbl.
April 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm #216476
GnomerParticipantpersonally i would not be worried about having a side of broccoli with my bacon and eggs
April 7, 2014 at 8:56 pm #216477
Brandon D ChristParticipantI'm unsure how to interpret the "no carbs for breakfast" rule (or lunch for that matter). In Paleo circles, sides like broccoli, onion, tomatoes (fried in butter or not)etc are generaly not counted as carbs because they dont contribute net energy, however for our specific purpose not wanting to see any insulin in the first part of the day should these be avoided? I have problems having nothing but meat/eggs as a meal without knowing exactly why. I "need" a side of vegetables (cucumber/salad/etc) for "balance" but wondering if I'm negating the effects of cbl.
We want insulin and blood sugar levels to be as low as possible in the morning for three reasons"1. There is elevated levels of growth hormone in the morning. When insulin levels rise, GH levels go down.2. There is elevated levels of cortisol in the morning. Cortisol is good if insulin levels are low. Cortisol is very bad if insulin levels are high.3. There is a lot of evidence that what you eat in the morning influences your metabolism for the rest of the day. If you abstain from carbs (and protein to a lesser extent), you are more likely to primarily burn fat for the rest of the day instead of carbs.There is no reason to eat vegetables in the morning and they do contain some glucose. However, as Sansuke said, they are likely to have a negligible effect on the situations I outlined above. So just try to keep the usable carb count below 10 g.
April 10, 2014 at 2:23 pm #216478
Tom SingletonParticipantKeifer says there's 'usable carbs' and 'fibre' it's only usable carbs u want to avoid in the low carb part if the day. As fibre acts in a completely different way to usable carbs (it's ferments in the colon and gets turned into short chain fatty acids) u won't get the same insulin response and in fact fibrous veg can actually lower the caloric value of a meal by up to 20%! So I say go to town on the veg but just make sure it's fibrous.
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