Trying to get shredded with CBL

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    Ravigopal Gade
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    I have been using CBL for 4 weeks so far, I think this is best nutrition program I have used so far. Very easy to follow and you can see the results every day in the mirror. Thanks to the forum members, you offer very good support.I have been able to get from two pack to four pack less than week after I start using the CBL. Since then I have been kind of lagging on progress to my goal of get shredded. I am hoping to get some advise, please help me. Thanks.Weight: 180BF: around 12%  Sex: MaleAge: 34Training experience: Have been working with free weights for 5 years. I have used Vince's MYM, Ben Pak's H-Max, MI-40 and MI40x and MI-40-Arms program. Currently I am cycling between MI40, MI-40-Arms and MI40x every 40 days. Training:4-Days : AM/PM workout (I work on just ABS during PM workouts on these days)2 Days: PM Workout (Resistance Training not ABS workout)Diet: I am eating clean High GI Carbs of about 150g every day evening and once every 5 days carb loading with junk food.Meal Plan:5:30 AM – Workout (1 hour heavy lifting)7:30 am – 3 eggs + 1tbl Coconut oil (18g protein + 27g fat)11:00 am – Salmon 4 oz + Veggies (20g Protein + 18g Fat)2:00 PM – Steak 4 oz + 1 strip beacon (20g protein + 22g Fat)5:00 PM – Workout for 40 min (5 ABS workouts like wood chops on cable and weighted leg raises)6:45 PM – Whey isolate and hydrolysates (55g) + dextrose (50g)7:45 PM – white fish 8oz + 400 g white rice -- I am replacing rice with junk food during carb backload days9:00 PM – Whey isolate and casein protein (54g)Totals: Protein (200g) + Fat (70g)+ Carbs (150g)

    #227342

    TCB
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    I'd say you need to reverse diet for awhile. You're not eating enough, IMO.

    #227343

    Brandon D Christ
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    I'd say you need to reverse diet for awhile. You're not eating enough, IMO.

    What makes you think he's not eating enough?  He's eating slightly over 11 cal/lb which is about what you want to eat for fat loss.  He likely averages even higher since he has dirty backloads every 5 days.

    #227344

    TCB
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    I'd say you need to reverse diet for awhile. You're not eating enough, IMO.

    What makes you think he's not eating enough?  He's eating slightly over 11 cal/lb which is about what you want to eat for fat loss.  He likely averages even higher since he has dirty backloads every 5 days.

    Because 2k is low, IMO. Especially because it seems he's doing 6+ workouts a week.I am a big believer in Layne's idea of dieting on as many calories as possible, not as few as possible.

    #227345

    Brandon D Christ
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    I'd say you need to reverse diet for awhile. You're not eating enough, IMO.

    What makes you think he's not eating enough?  He's eating slightly over 11 cal/lb which is about what you want to eat for fat loss.  He likely averages even higher since he has dirty backloads every 5 days.

    Because 2k is low, IMO. Especially because it seems he's doing 6+ workouts a week.I am a big believer in Layne's idea of dieting on as many calories as possible, not as few as possible.

    I would agree that it is good to eat as many calories as possible, but it is unlikely you are going to lean down by consuming much more than what he is doing.

    #227346

    TCB
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    I'd say you need to reverse diet for awhile. You're not eating enough, IMO.

    What makes you think he's not eating enough?  He's eating slightly over 11 cal/lb which is about what you want to eat for fat loss.  He likely averages even higher since he has dirty backloads every 5 days.

    Because 2k is low, IMO. Especially because it seems he's doing 6+ workouts a week.I am a big believer in Layne's idea of dieting on as many calories as possible, not as few as possible.

    I would agree that it is good to eat as many calories as possible, but it is unlikely you are going to lean down by consuming much more than what he is doing.

    Eh, Difference of opinion, here. 😛 I'd say he could probably lean down on 2400-2500 just fine, built up correctly.But, he has said what is doing isn't working, so it's worth a shot. He's in a large enough deficit that the worst that can happen (provided a gentle increase, and not a big jump) is that he'll gain some lean mass a little bit faster.

    #227347

    In my humble opinion if your main goal is fat loss, and not building muscle the strategy looks “good”, even if AGAIN IMHO your overall calories intake looks to me a little bit too low…I say this since I know well the Pakulski programs (I've done too MI40X and MI40 two times)..and so, what I would like to point out is that theese programs are really TAXING to the CNS and to your body if properly done, expecially MI40x some days requires a lot of calories…but what I would suggest U, since U say that U're going back and forth beetwen 40 and 40x, is this: CHANGE TO SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT… don't misunderstand  me, I love Ben workouts and he totally changed my approach and gave me the best results I 've ever had giving me the knowledge to keep on progressing..and this is the MOST valuable thing someone could teach to U!BUT theese Workouts are mostly 200% Only Hypertrophy, so if U don't give a break with some mostly strenght oriented WorkOuts U'll never progress forward...  try to switch to something different for 8 weeks as no more splits but full body 4 days a week with way more less volume (45 sets max to each bodypart) doing one day Pure strenght, one day pure Hypertrophy and the other two something like an 70% Hypertrophy 30% strenght work out and a 30% Hypertrophy 70% strenght work out...all this could be achieved manupulating Tempos, resting periods, Reps schemes and exercises rotation! 😉

    #227348

    Ravigopal Gade
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    Thanks all for some good suggestions, i will certainly re-visit my workout schedule. I am not still sure on Diet, i know it is hard to tell to increase or decrease calories without working with me at gym. should i leave calories as-is for now and reduce number of workout and watch couple of weeks? i really hesitant to make too many changes once.

    #227349

    TCB
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    Thanks all for some good suggestions, i will certainly re-visit my workout schedule. I am not still sure on Diet, i know it is hard to tell to increase or decrease calories without working with me at gym. should i leave calories as-is for now and reduce number of workout and watch couple of weeks? i really hesitant to make too many changes once.

    The training itself is going to have the one of the smallest effects on body comp of the variables.My opinion: At 2k cals, everyone agrees you're in a deficit, especially with 6x+/wk lifting. AT WORST, increasing your calories will bring you up to "maintenance" and you'll continue to not lean out, but also not gain fat. AT BEST, it's what your body is looking for and leaning out/building a little bit of mass comes easier.But, it's your choice. Pick a variable, tweak, assess, tweak, assess, etc.

    #227350

    Brandon D Christ
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    Thanks all for some good suggestions, i will certainly re-visit my workout schedule. I am not still sure on Diet, i know it is hard to tell to increase or decrease calories without working with me at gym. should i leave calories as-is for now and reduce number of workout and watch couple of weeks? i really hesitant to make too many changes once.

    I think what you need to realize is that this takes time.  It doesn't happen overnight and progress is not linear.  There will be plateaus and there will be big bursts of progress.Like what the guys said, try taking a break from fat loss for a few weeks and then go back to it and see what happens.

    #227351

    Thanks all for some good suggestions, i will certainly re-visit my workout schedule. I am not still sure on Diet, i know it is hard to tell to increase or decrease calories without working with me at gym. should i leave calories as-is for now and reduce number of workout and watch couple of weeks? i really hesitant to make too many changes once.

    I think what you need to realize is that this takes time.  It doesn't happen overnight and progress is not linear.  There will be plateaus and there will be big bursts of progress.Like what the guys said, try taking a break from fat loss for a few weeks and then go back to it and see what happens.

    +1As someone that is trying to keep strength numbers and drop a weight class, keeping the faith and celebrating incremental weight loss is key. 

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