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December 24, 2014 at 11:01 pm #11962
Sascha HeidParticipantThere is something i don't understand.Many times i have heard respectable members of this board say that ketosis is not important.But then what is the difference between CBL and CNS?CBL has it's two variants SA and DB which differ in calories and the length of periods you go without food (no breakfast in SA).CNS puts you in ketosis with it's only weekly Carb-intake.And both require the prep phase which also puts you in ketosis.Why does everybody say then this is not about ketosis?What is it about then? To me it seems it's basically 3 things:- Get the nutrients you need (fats for your hormones, protein to build muscle)- Eat Carbs only post-workout- Get into Ketosis to improve your body's ability to burn off fat (at least in CNS)Please correct me if i'm wrong.
December 25, 2014 at 12:53 am #228572
Robert x OlearyParticipantYou're mostly right, but while you may produce ketones (aka becoming ketogenic), you're not necessarily in ketosis (using said ketones). Maintaining ketosis is a figurative balancing active of nutrition and workload that can easily be pushed off balance by disruption of circadian rhythms, stress, nutritional swings, etc. For some people, it can take several weeks of low carb dieting to go full on into ketosis. While ketones have several beneficial effects, they typically don't last very long and maintaining that state puts your thyroid in a nasty place. Enter CBL and CNS. These both pro is the stimulation while low carb dieting to avoid the adverse thyroid effects of long term low carb dieting. The point of the prep phase ok CBL is to deplete muscle glycogen, not go I to ketosis. While you may become ketogenic, you won't likely go into utilizing the ketones. CNS operates similarly, but requires significantly less workload while keeping to muscle glycogen stores ok a cycle of emptying, refilling, emptying again, etc, while keeping your body fat adapted to deplete fat store in the process. The spiking in CNS is to stimulate your thyroid and also to help produce more lepton for the week ahead so that you can burn more fat in the next cycle. Neither of which are ketone dependent.This is, to the best of my understanding, how and why the diet is structured as such. If someone has more info or can correct me, please do so, but this is simply my understanding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
December 25, 2014 at 1:53 am #228573
Sascha HeidParticipantThx for your reply!I dont understand however how you can be ketogenic (producing ketones) without being in ketosis (using ketones). If ketones are only produced if there are no carbs available, what else could your body use for energy other then those ketones?Btw. is it possible to determine if your ketones are made from food or your fat-storage? I guess it's a matter of your caloric intake.Let me see if i got this right:If you rely and carbs and lower your calories your body will turn to gluconeogenesis and burn your muscles.If you go ketogenic and (carefully?) lower your calories your body will already be enabled to burn body fat and get the missing calories form there.I go into the red on my ketonix sport within a day after carbnite but my calories are quite high (2500-3000 at 160 pounds bodyweight and daily resistance training)).
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