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July 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm #2926
Erock74kgKeymasterHello board , I've recently been introduced to this protocol by a friend, however I am not trying to get big , in fact im merely trying to remain lean and perform at my best, my hardest sessions are in the AM at 1030 till 1230 , I usually train again at about 4 or 5 pm which is still tough but not quite as intense as the morning, also what kind of carbs would you all recommend ? Thanks for any help
July 25, 2012 at 9:15 pm #67855
Richard SchmittModeratorCarbs? High glycemic carbs!
July 25, 2012 at 9:45 pm #67856
Damon AmatoParticipantIt's very unlikely you need to train for that duration also. My mma athletes train for 90 min/day at the most. They are always in better shape and have more energy than the competition.
July 25, 2012 at 10:34 pm #67857
Erock74kgGuestIt's very unlikely you need to train for that duration also. My mma athletes train for 90 min/day at the most. They are always in better shape and have more energy than the competition.
I actually come out of one of the top camps in the world , we are known for our conditioning but I see your point thank you
July 25, 2012 at 10:44 pm #67858
Damon AmatoParticipantWell, I did say very unlikely, not impossible. I'm certainly not a top MMA trainer or fighter myself, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night..
July 26, 2012 at 12:12 am #67859
zewskiMemberWell, I did say very unlikely, not impossible. I'm certainly not a top MMA trainer or fighter myself, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night..
Ah, I see what you did there haha.Hey Erock, what camp if you don't mind me asking?Also Back-load after weight workouts or the night before morning weight workouts. Don't backload after your mma sessions. While it's possible, it wouldn't be optimal. Just make sure you're eating enough to keep your energy levels up. As far as types of carbs, re-read the book.
July 26, 2012 at 1:01 am #67860
Damon AmatoParticipantThere are more ways to optimize too, especially so that at fight night you feel like you could be unstoppable. That's more of an individualized plan though. Quite fun to watch a client annihilate people like he's on speed.
July 26, 2012 at 1:13 am #67861
thestiffmeisterParticipantI remember stepping on the scale at 141, completely drained, yet the other guy couldn't believe how big I looked compared to him. The next day, back to 154 and looking much, much bigger with insane vascularity after loading up big on carbs. I knew I was going to fuck him up, and I did. Didn't even need to sit in the sauna or anything, I was already so dry from going ULC for a week.I'd say really back-load big on days where you lift weights, but otherwise it's just like SA, no need to complicate things.
July 26, 2012 at 6:21 am #67862
zewskiMemberI'm totally robbing the thread here, but what are some modifications you guys would make for CNS and MMA. I'm just worried because Kiefer's pretty clear about his stance on aerobic work, and MMA includes a lot of it just do to the sport. Anyway to optimize it? Or is something I don't need to worry about?
July 26, 2012 at 12:06 pm #67863
thestiffmeisterParticipantI'm totally robbing the thread here, but what are some modifications you guys would make for CNS and MMA. I'm just worried because Kiefer's pretty clear about his stance on aerobic work, and MMA includes a lot of it just do to the sport. Anyway to optimize it? Or is something I don't need to worry about?
While it might qualify as cardio, MMA is not steady-state cardio so I'm not sure it's that detrimental unless you are training 2+ hours a day, and if you learn to pace yourself you can get some good training on very little carbs.However, my trainings suffer if I go ULC for more than 3 days, so something like SA back-loading twice a week would work best. Heck, if you are still losing fat, even 3 back-loads a week would serve you well if scheduled around your weight training. With your goals though, I would personally keep to CNS and do a carb nite once every 5 days, but that's because you need to get your bf % set-point a bit lower, and that takes some work. Just dial the weight lifting back for a while, do something like a 2-day split with high intensity and low volume, it shouldn't zap your recovery too much. I've been where you are right now, and back then I was doing RPT LG-style and managed to make some decent progress while losing the weight. Lighter, faster you while retaining strength will give you quite a leap in performance.
July 26, 2012 at 1:13 pm #67864
Damon AmatoParticipantMMA is more HIIT than anything else, and I wouldn't have an MMA fighter doing anything else anyway. Running 10 miles only makes you better at running 10 miles. It'll never make you better in a fight. If it did, marathon runners wouldn't be gassed when they do anything but run in a straight line. The best MMA fighters are very good at body control and their ability to recover during a fight while tangled up. Again, that's why I don't have them train for very long, it's just not necessary, unless you're lengthening a session for purposes of working on specific things like submissions or submission defense.
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