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After reading Kiefers most recent comments in POWER magazine he confirmed what i thought to be true, which was one should be getting stronger while on CNS. The opposite has been true for me. I compete in bench only competitions and my bench has gone down about 20lbs, dont get me wrong the diet is working wonderfully as far as weight loss (51lbs) but ive gotta be doing something wrong to lose that much on my bench.Im going to list a typical eating day and maybe you guys have some insight or advice you can give. BTW im 284 and i train 4days/week with heavy/light days sq, be, dl but accessory work is always pretty intense with fairly high volume if this matters.Meal 1: 3-4 whole eggs scrambled in butter sometimes with lunch meat and chzMeal2: Chicken breast over leaf spinach OR (2) Burger patties with bacon chz mayoMeal3: we grill out at work and is usually Chicken drums, pork chops, burgers, or sometimes steakMeal4: Either pork steak, (2) pork chops, or more burger pattiesMeal5: same as 4 if im hungry, if not then its skipped.Thanks for the help
It looks like you might not always be eating enough fat.Also, losing 51 lbs, you are sure to lose some strength, but if you move to backloading you should get it back quickly without adding fat back.
I agree. Losing 51lbs you are bound to lose some mechanical advantages and your leverages will change. Besides, you're lifting relatively the same weights at a substantially lower bodyweight which, to me, means everything is a PR!
Yeah I would view this as gaining 30 lbs. on your bench at your new body weight and not losing 30 lbs. at your old one. -AF
Yeah I would view this as gaining 30 lbs. on your bench at your new body weight and not losing 30 lbs. at your old one. -AF
Yes!
I have lost about 30 lbs on a few weeks of CB followed by about 2 months of CNS, is it possible for this weight loss to effect the strength of certain lifts more than others? My squat has gone down from doing 245 lbs for 5x5 down to just barely 225 for the same rep scheme. But my deadlift weight has not budged and my bench has only slightly decreased, I figured my squat strength would increase since i have less bodyweight to stand up with but that hasnt been the case.
I have lost about 30 lbs on a few weeks of CB followed by about 2 months of CNS, is it possible for this weight loss to effect the strength of certain lifts more than others? My squat has gone down from doing 245 lbs for 5x5 down to just barely 225 for the same rep scheme. But my deadlift weight has not budged and my bench has only slightly decreased, I figured my squat strength would increase since i have less bodyweight to stand up with but that hasnt been the case.
Again, this all has to do with leverages. There's no scientific formula that dictates where you will gain/lose strength when you gain/lose weight. It's all individual and all depends on how your body reacts to changes. My general rule of thumb is that if you lose weight and maintain the same strength levels, you've gotten stronger. On the other hand, if you lose weight and lose strength, you haven't necessarily gotten weaker.
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
This has been disproven by Jesse Burdick I believe. According to Kiefer Carb Nite is what he uses "for powerlifters who tell me they want to lose weight and be even stronger in their new weight class". Forget which podcast he talked about it on, and I don't know how Jesse Burdick fared after losing all that weight on CNS, but my guess is actually that at the more advanced level like you were saying, where the weights handled also demand better technique, that taking a bunch of weight off of somebody is also going to throw their technique for a loop until they get used to it as well.-Adam
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
This has been disproven by Jesse Burdick I believe. According to Kiefer Carb Nite is what he uses "for powerlifters who tell me they want to lose weight and be even stronger in their new weight class". Forget which podcast he talked about it on, and I don't know how Jesse Burdick fared after losing all that weight on CNS, but my guess is actually that at the more advanced level like you were saying, where the weights handled also demand better technique, that taking a bunch of weight off of somebody is also going to throw their technique for a loop until they get used to it as well.-Adam
Could you clarify what you are referring to when you wrote: "This has been disproven..." I'm just unsure what exactly it is you are specifically referencing here.On another note, after losing a tremendous amount of weight I definitely noticed a significant decrease in strength. I attributed a lot of this loss in strength to losing certain leverages. For example, benching became much more difficult for me because I lost several inches around my chest which meant I had to press the weight a greater distance.
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
This has been disproven by Jesse Burdick I believe. According to Kiefer Carb Nite is what he uses "for powerlifters who tell me they want to lose weight and be even stronger in their new weight class". Forget which podcast he talked about it on, and I don't know how Jesse Burdick fared after losing all that weight on CNS, but my guess is actually that at the more advanced level like you were saying, where the weights handled also demand better technique, that taking a bunch of weight off of somebody is also going to throw their technique for a loop until they get used to it as well.-Adam
I am going to have to disagree. I am not as strong when I am low carb, that I know for a fact. While your technique hypothesis probably is true, I think strength is something that varies amongst individuals. Just because something works with Jesse Burdick doesn't mean it will work with others. Not saying he's the exception, the OP and I could be the exception, but I think this is something that varies
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
This has been disproven by Jesse Burdick I believe. According to Kiefer Carb Nite is what he uses "for powerlifters who tell me they want to lose weight and be even stronger in their new weight class". Forget which podcast he talked about it on, and I don't know how Jesse Burdick fared after losing all that weight on CNS, but my guess is actually that at the more advanced level like you were saying, where the weights handled also demand better technique, that taking a bunch of weight off of somebody is also going to throw their technique for a loop until they get used to it as well.-Adam
Could you clarify what you are referring to when you wrote: "This has been disproven..." I'm just unsure what exactly it is you are specifically referencing here.On another note, after losing a tremendous amount of weight I definitely noticed a significant decrease in strength. I attributed a lot of this loss in strength to losing certain leverages. For example, benching became much more difficult for me because I lost several inches around my chest which meant I had to press the weight a greater distance.
I meant as far as I know Kiefer talks about powerlifters who have lost lots of weight and gotten stronger when he's put them on CNS and I believe Jesse Burdick falls into this category. I know when Jim Wendler was first writing his 5/3/1 that he lost about 30 lbs. (don't know how) and was still setting PR's. With that said, bench seems the most tied to weight from everything I've heard (I haven't been lifting long enough and to say for myself).-Adam
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
This has been disproven by Jesse Burdick I believe. According to Kiefer Carb Nite is what he uses "for powerlifters who tell me they want to lose weight and be even stronger in their new weight class". Forget which podcast he talked about it on, and I don't know how Jesse Burdick fared after losing all that weight on CNS, but my guess is actually that at the more advanced level like you were saying, where the weights handled also demand better technique, that taking a bunch of weight off of somebody is also going to throw their technique for a loop until they get used to it as well.-Adam
I am going to have to disagree. I am not as strong when I am low carb, that I know for a fact. While your technique hypothesis probably is true, I think strength is something that varies amongst individuals. Just because something works with Jesse Burdick doesn't mean it will work with others. Not saying he's the exception, the OP and I could be the exception, but I think this is something that varies
Was actually agreeing with a lot of what you were saying. What I meant was that it's entirely possible and even probable that most people have strength loss associated with weight loss, it could be due to a variety of factors kind of secondary to the weight loss, and that examples exist which disprove the general statement "weight loss=strength loss", even on CNS, so it's worth looking into other factors such as training and leverages as well.-Adam
You compete in Bench compeitions, so I am assuming you are pretty advanced right? Anyways I would conjecture that at the advanced level you will lose some strength simply because you won't be able to push your nervous system to the extreme. This is why CBL is more popular with power lifters. As soon as you are off the diet you stength will come back.
This has been disproven by Jesse Burdick I believe. According to Kiefer Carb Nite is what he uses "for powerlifters who tell me they want to lose weight and be even stronger in their new weight class". Forget which podcast he talked about it on, and I don't know how Jesse Burdick fared after losing all that weight on CNS, but my guess is actually that at the more advanced level like you were saying, where the weights handled also demand better technique, that taking a bunch of weight off of somebody is also going to throw their technique for a loop until they get used to it as well.-Adam
I am going to have to disagree. I am not as strong when I am low carb, that I know for a fact. While your technique hypothesis probably is true, I think strength is something that varies amongst individuals. Just because something works with Jesse Burdick doesn't mean it will work with others. Not saying he's the exception, the OP and I could be the exception, but I think this is something that varies
Was actually agreeing with a lot of what you were saying. What I meant was that it's entirely possible and even probable that most people have strength loss associated with weight loss, it could be due to a variety of factors kind of secondary to the weight loss, and that examples exist which disprove the general statement "weight loss=strength loss", even on CNS, so it's worth looking into other factors such as training and leverages as well.-Adam
Oh ok I see.
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