How to use the whey propperly?

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  • #3080

    Maxeee
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    hi,I just read the book a few days ago and I'm now on day 5 of prep phase. Everythings looking good and I am doing fine so far. But one thing I think I didnt get is whey protein.I never used protein powders before and I don't know - when to take it? -> fat/protein days or carb nite? morning, evening? before training, after training?- in what kind of proportions?and why does kiefer stress out the great characteristics of whey isolate? what exactly is it doing in my body?thanks!maxeee

    #70321

    Richard Schmitt
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    hi,I just read the book a few days ago and I'm now on day 5 of prep phase. Everythings looking good and I am doing fine so far. But one thing I think I didnt get is whey protein.I never used protein powders before and I don't know - when to take it? -> fat/protein days or carb nite? morning, evening? before training, after training?- in what kind of proportions?and why does kiefer stress out the great characteristics of whey isolate? what exactly is it doing in my body?thanks!maxeee

    Take the whey isolate with leucine and creatine Post Workout sans carbs during the Ultra Low Carb Week. I wouldn't think you need that much so maybe just 1 scoop? Don't use whey in the mornings or any time pre-training. Unless you want to add mass like for CBL Density Bulking. Basically whey is a muscle recovery and leucine acts as a anabolic/hypertrophy recovery while creatine helps you push out those last 2-3 reps.

    #70322

    tzanghi
    Participant

    Kiefer also said that whey has shown to have some very strong antioxidant-like properties.  Essentially he said that when people took whey, they had similar cancer rates to people who ate very large amounts of fruits and veggies.  If I'm not mistaken, he said that whey causes the cells to push out and avoid free radicals.

    #70323

    Lasse Elsbak
    Participant

    Kiefer also said that whey has shown to have some very strong antioxidant-like properties.  Essentially he said that when people took whey, they had similar cancer rates to people who ate very large amounts of fruits and veggies.  If I'm not mistaken, he said that whey causes the cells to push out and avoid free radicals.

    The only thing I've heard Kiefer say about cancer rates are in connection to muscle mass. Kiefer has stated that the biggest factor in surviving cancers is muscle mass.The antioxidants in fruits and vegetables aren't that powerful really. Here's a direct quote from the CBL book. (DH team - please remove this if it isn't appropriate!)It works by increasing levels of an amino acid called glutathione1, which fuels the main anti-oxidant machinery of the cells in the body2. Eating fruits and vegetables pales in comparison to the glutathione mechanism. Glutathione also helps recycle other antioxidants like vitamin C and vitamin E, decreasing the need for these vitamins3. (...)The analogy I use involves burglars. The fruit-and-veggie antioxidants represent the police and glutathione, three trained Rottweilers. The police might stop a burglar from breaking-and entering if they drive by at the exact moment the burglars burgle, or if they accidentally crash into the burglar's car en route. The Rottweilers, however, will stop the burglars every time. Even if one guard dog goes down, the others continue preventing damage. Whey isolate feeds the pack of attack dogs in each cell.

    #70324

    tzanghi
    Participant

    Kiefer also said that whey has shown to have some very strong antioxidant-like properties.  Essentially he said that when people took whey, they had similar cancer rates to people who ate very large amounts of fruits and veggies.  If I'm not mistaken, he said that whey causes the cells to push out and avoid free radicals.

    The only thing I've heard Kiefer say about cancer rates are in connection to muscle mass. Kiefer has stated that the biggest factor in surviving cancers is muscle mass.The antioxidants in fruits and vegetables aren't that powerful really. Here's a direct quote from the CBL book. (DH team - please remove this if it isn't appropriate!)It works by increasing levels of an amino acid called glutathione1, which fuels the main anti-oxidant machinery of the cells in the body2. Eating fruits and vegetables pales in comparison to the glutathione mechanism. Glutathione also helps recycle other antioxidants like vitamin C and vitamin E, decreasing the need for these vitamins3. (...)The analogy I use involves burglars. The fruit-and-veggie antioxidants represent the police and glutathione, three trained Rottweilers. The police might stop a burglar from breaking-and entering if they drive by at the exact moment the burglars burgle, or if they accidentally crash into the burglar's car en route. The Rottweilers, however, will stop the burglars every time. Even if one guard dog goes down, the others continue preventing damage. Whey isolate feeds the pack of attack dogs in each cell.

    That sounds like the mechanism he was talking about.  Here's the link http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/carb-back-loading-explained/carb-back-loading-explained-episode-16

    #70325

    plaquex
    Member

    Kiefer also said that whey has shown to have some very strong antioxidant-like properties.  Essentially he said that when people took whey, they had similar cancer rates to people who ate very large amounts of fruits and veggies.  If I'm not mistaken, he said that whey causes the cells to push out and avoid free radicals.

    The only thing I've heard Kiefer say about cancer rates are in connection to muscle mass. Kiefer has stated that the biggest factor in surviving cancers is muscle mass.The antioxidants in fruits and vegetables aren't that powerful really. Here's a direct quote from the CBL book. (DH team - please remove this if it isn't appropriate!)It works by increasing levels of an amino acid called glutathione1, which fuels the main anti-oxidant machinery of the cells in the body2. Eating fruits and vegetables pales in comparison to the glutathione mechanism. Glutathione also helps recycle other antioxidants like vitamin C and vitamin E, decreasing the need for these vitamins3. (...)The analogy I use involves burglars. The fruit-and-veggie antioxidants represent the police and glutathione, three trained Rottweilers. The police might stop a burglar from breaking-and entering if they drive by at the exact moment the burglars burgle, or if they accidentally crash into the burglar's car en route. The Rottweilers, however, will stop the burglars every time. Even if one guard dog goes down, the others continue preventing damage. Whey isolate feeds the pack of attack dogs in each cell.

    I've always wondered: Does that only count for whey isolate or does normal whey also perform that action?

    #70326

    Lasse Elsbak
    Participant

    Just isolate. :/

    #70327

    tzanghi
    Participant

    Just isolate. :/

    Isn't isolate usually contained in a regular whey mixture?

    #70328

    AdamFiddler
    Guest

    Pretty sure that how much whey actually boosts glutathione is dependent on how it is processed and how it is sourced (as in the type of lives that the cows lived).  I don't give much credence to any blanket statement along the lines of “X food does this”.I think far more accurate statements are along the lines of:"When sourced in blah blah blah way, X food or supplement contains Y, which has been shown to do Z" and so on. 

    #70329

    Lasse Elsbak
    Participant

    What is a regular whey mixture? Whey isolate is expensive to produce, so most whey concentrates are just concentrate, but there are a lot of mixes and blends out there.@Adamfiddler: I agree to an extent, but absolutes are so much easier to deal with. In the CBL book Kiefer only mentions Isolate, and in the episode of Biojacked where Asprey is the guest they talk about the pros and cons of Isolate and Concentrate. Kiefer says that he favors Isolate, and Asprey that he favors concentrate.

    #70330

    plaquex
    Member

    Which episode is it? Somehow I can't find any podcast with Asprey as guest.Edit:http://www.bulletproofexec.com/podcast-19-carb-back-loading-with-john-keifer/

    #70331

    most protein powders (good ones have all your BCAA) such as leucine i reccomend either isopure or muscle fx hydrobolic they both have great amino profiles

    #70332

    Maxeee
    Guest

    thanks to all of you! 🙂and I did not think, whey was that powerful...

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