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September 7, 2012 at 3:54 pm #79973
businessGuestYea I think I was over doing sodium as well. but high GI carbs raise your alderstone levels and in return youll get elevated estrogen levels as well.
September 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm #79974
Zach516MemberYea I think I was over doing sodium as well. but high GI carbs raise your alderstone levels and in return youll get elevated estrogen levels as well.
I fail to see how a hormone that relates to water and salt retention could raise estrogen. Any evidence of this?
September 7, 2012 at 11:35 pm #79975
businessGuestin championship bodybuilding written by chris aceto he talks about it. he says when carb loading during peak week start the week with high GI carbs (frozen yogurt, white rice etc..) and then use med to lo Gi at the end of the week ( yams) to avoid water retention from raised alderstone levels from the high GI carbs. I dont know why or if it is raised estrogen but hes saying it could be but again Im still playing with it trying to avoid it
September 7, 2012 at 11:52 pm #79976
Zach516Memberin championship bodybuilding written by chris aceto he talks about it. he says when carb loading during peak week start the week with high GI carbs (frozen yogurt, white rice etc..) and then use med to lo Gi at the end of the week ( yams) to avoid water retention from raised alderstone levels from the high GI carbs. I dont know why or if it is raised estrogen but hes saying it could be but again Im still playing with it trying to avoid it
By that logic I would say he's trying to give you time to allow for the water retention/spill over from too much sucrose/fructose. That is a proven phenomenon. I can't see any link between aldosterone (which controls electrolight balance) to effect estrogen levels.
September 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm #79978
MikeParticipantAnd what about liver health during CBL? Does the 1:1 protein-fat ratio could be harmful to the liver in any way, especially long-term (let's say 2+ months).
September 8, 2012 at 2:48 pm #79979
RoadblockParticipantInteresting how the op hasn't come back lately to comment..RB
September 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm #79980
JRGuestI'm no health expert, but I've been CBLing for about 4 months (and I'm not very strict with it) and I'm impressed with the results. I've also been weight training for about 6 years. My energy has improved, my lifts have improved, my body fat has gone down, and I've gained a few pounds.I understand the hesitation because spiking your insulin or high GI foods sound "bad for you". But perhaps the results should out weigh the common "health belief system". I'm feeling pretty healthy, so I'll stick with it.
September 8, 2012 at 7:08 pm #79977
tzanghiParticipantI understand the hesitation because spiking your insulin or high GI foods sound “bad for you”. But perhaps the results should out weigh the common “health belief system”. I'm feeling pretty healthy, so I'll stick with it.
I think you're right that people have preconceived notions of what is "healthy," but I think the problem is the whole high GI foods are unhealthy notion is based on a sedentary, unhealthy public. For the layperson who sits on his butt, high GI foods probably aren't healthy. Even for the resistance trainer who works hard, they're not good to eat all the time, but for the resistance trainer who concentrates his high GI foods for certain conditions in his body, they probably are good. Everything is contextual. This is just my .02.
September 8, 2012 at 7:54 pm #79982
FairyGuestIf it helps, think about it in a Paleo way. During winter, we'd live off fish, meat, etc. then if we happened upon a nest of honey or a small clump of root veggies, we would have a carb party and our body would have to deal with it 🙂 That's why we have insulin in the first place. We are consuming carbs when our body is most ready to consume them: when we're glycogen depleted and after we've done some heavy exercise.
September 8, 2012 at 9:06 pm #79981
bioengineerGuestAt the end of the day even healthy foods can be unhealthy for a person …just look at cruciferous vegetables and individuals with thyroid problems. We all must take responsibility for our own health and track biomarkers of health and disease.I paid the expensive price of getting a hormone panel and bloodwork prior to CBL'ing while I was doing a cyclical ketogenic diet and will do the tests once again a year from now while on CBL. As others have said, there is an extremely healthy way to tackle CBL without the fuckin pastries and other refined foods. The question of this topic was generalized to 'is CBL healthy' and the answer to that depends. It's up to you.
September 8, 2012 at 9:13 pm #79983
tzanghiParticipantI paid the expensive price of getting a hormone panel and bloodwork prior to CBL'ing while I was doing a cyclical ketogenic diet and will do the tests once again a year from now while on CBL.
How did those test results look? CBL is largely a ketogenic diet to me.
September 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm #79984
businessGuestI bob check out my post on pancreas issues I'm having I feel this diet is brining out symptoms of insulin resistance that I had no idea I was aware of any suggestions?
September 11, 2012 at 3:55 pm #79985
thrownullpointerMemberCBL is very similar to CKD or EOD (every other day refeeding).The quality of the food isn't want concerns me.Its giving your pancreas a break and then slamming it as hard as possible.Kiefer keeps pointing out how high he wants insulin to shoot after a workout (caffeine + high gi carbs in the shake, the caffeine boosts the insulin response plus 5 grams leucine for even more insulin).This is what concerns me. What it does to your pancreas... Whether you're eating potatoes or icecream isn't my concern...
September 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm #79986
Brandon D ChristParticipantI bob check out my post on pancreas issues I'm having I feel this diet is brining out symptoms of insulin resistance that I had no idea I was aware of any suggestions?
I don't know what to tell you. If you think the diet is giving you issues, then stop doing it.
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