Carb Backloading problem

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    yorkshire_terrier
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    So I have been doing this diet for few and its been pretty bleedin hard.. and must say I am not really getting any positive results.. I mean.. its early days mind you, so have not given up.. just have a few problems..Ok so my lifts are getting worse because I dont feel like I have a enough energy by the time its evening having a whole day without carbs.. I am grumpy and tired.. when I get to the gym, I feel extremely light headed when I try and lift as heavy as the week before.. and then I eat carbs and then next day if I'm not training I do low carbs.. but by the time I next train after the non training day I have had no carbs for 36 hours! so I am even more tired.. I feel as though my gains are getting worse and worse. This is how my training day usually goes..8am I wake up, drink coffee drink lots of water10am I eat some kind of protein with coconut oil or hemp oil... maybe a few blueberries or a tomato or some spinach..drink lots of water12am I have mini snack of nuts or seeds and a sugar free drink, or something like thatdrink lots of water2pm I have same as 10amdrink lots of water4pm pre workout protein shake..5pm I drink some sugar free sport drink - go to the gym. lift as heavy as a candrink lots of water6pm finish, eat some sweet protein bar, with maltodextrin and protein in it, water.. OR a shake with same ingredients.drink lots of water7pm Eat Large meal like potatoes, veg and protein item.. 9pm Desert and a late night protein shakeNon Traning day is the same but without the evening carbs.. repeat low carb lunch style meals.. and snacks for evening.I thought maybe it would help if I just stopped having non training days, and make sure I train everyday, that way the gaps between carbs are less. Or I could train in the morning after non training day instead of evening and hav a small hi gi snack after (then go low carb).. then the gap is less again. What do the pro's think?

    #80737

    David Margittai
    Participant

    So I have been doing this diet for few and its been pretty bleedin hard.. and must say I am not really getting any positive results.. I mean.. its early days mind you, so have not given up.. just have a few problems..Ok so my lifts are getting worse because I dont feel like I have a enough energy by the time its evening having a whole day without carbs.. I am grumpy and tired.. when I get to the gym, I feel extremely light headed when I try and lift as heavy as the week before.. and then I eat carbs and then next day if I'm not training I do low carbs.. but by the time I next train after the non training day I have had no carbs for 36 hours! so I am even more tired.. I feel as though my gains are getting worse and worse. This is how my training day usually goes..8am I wake up, drink coffee drink lots of water10am I eat some kind of protein with coconut oil or hemp oil... maybe a few blueberries or a tomato or some spinach..drink lots of water12am I have mini snack of nuts or seeds and a sugar free drink, or something like thatdrink lots of water2pm I have same as 10amdrink lots of water4pm pre workout protein shake..5pm I drink some sugar free sport drink - go to the gym. lift as heavy as a candrink lots of water6pm finish, eat some sweet protein bar, with maltodextrin and protein in it, water.. OR a shake with same ingredients.drink lots of water7pm Eat Large meal like potatoes, veg and protein item.. 9pm Desert and a late night protein shakeNon Traning day is the same but without the evening carbs.. repeat low carb lunch style meals.. and snacks for evening.I thought maybe it would help if I just stopped having non training days, and make sure I train everyday, that way the gaps between carbs are less. Or I could train in the morning after non training day instead of evening and hav a small hi gi snack after (then go low carb).. then the gap is less again. What do the pro's think?

    To me, it looks like you are severely undereating on the ULC portion of the day. You need to load yourself up with a lot of protein and fat in pretty close to a 1:1 ratio. If it's a training day, ideally you should shoot for about half of your ULC day numbers. Using myself as an example, I'm at ~145 lbs and on ULC days I take in somewhere in the ball park of 160-180g of both proteins and fats -- so on a training day, I start my day off with some coffee and coconut oil around 10am and then around 2pm (since I train at 7pm), I eat a large meal consisting of somewhere in the 70-80g range of both protein and fat. I feel this is an optimal time for that meal, because it takes a few hours for fats to be accessible to the body as fuel and I find that by the time I'm hitting the gym, the fat fuel is in full effect.Hope this helps!

    #80738

    Do you have the book?Did you do the prep phase?

    #80739

    Mato23
    Guest

    Pretty much what Mrjiggy said, eat 1 protein,fat meal consisting of around 60-90 both protein and fat like 3-5 hours before going to the gym.

    #80740

    yorkshire_terrier
    Guest

    Yes I have the book, and I did the prep phase for 10 days, The reason I have two meals is because I am starving by the time its 10 or 11am so I have two meals.. I will try and only have 1 meal a bit later and see if this helps. but I certainly get enough fat and protein, especially because I have two meals, so thats double the fat and protein.

    #80741

    webby
    Member

    I eat one large meal of about 80-90g of fat an protein at about 11am and then train at 16:30. I find it much easier to train with an empty stomach and I'm always much hungrier after the gym so I can eat all of the carbs I want without issue!

    #80742

    yorkshire_terrier
    Guest

    Ok so I took on some of the advice.. I have tried eating just one big low carb meal few hours before training and then backload. I have made extra effort to keep the fat and protein at the same level, like people suggested, I am even weighing everything I eat and checking packet info to make sure.. .. I am definitely eating enough protein and fat, its all in check to the letter.I have decided to train everyday apart from sunday, so I don't have such large gaps between eating carbs..I have found this has helped the low energy because training after low carb for 36 hours was really draining. But I still don't feel I am getting so much gains in the gym, I don't feel like I'm getting stronger, its just the same.. I think my previous diet would have given me the same amount of gains, which would be fine if I had also lost bodyfat.. but I haven't lost a gram of bodyfat. I am going to keep at it as it is and see, if I get any progress I will post. Also if I don't get an progress I might tweak the regime to fit me personally a bit better, because everyone is different.

    #80743

    Gl;itch.e
    Member

    Ok so I took on some of the advice.. I have tried eating just one big low carb meal few hours before training and then backload. I have made extra effort to keep the fat and protein at the same level, like people suggested, I am even weighing everything I eat and checking packet info to make sure.. .. I am definitely eating enough protein and fat, its all in check to the letter.I have decided to train everyday apart from sunday, so I don't have such large gaps between eating carbs..I have found this has helped the low energy because training after low carb for 36 hours was really draining. But I still don't feel I am getting so much gains in the gym, I don't feel like I'm getting stronger, its just the same.. I think my previous diet would have given me the same amount of gains, which would be fine if I had also lost bodyfat.. but I haven't lost a gram of bodyfat. I am going to keep at it as it is and see, if I get any progress I will post. Also if I don't get an progress I might tweak the regime to fit me personally a bit better, because everyone is different.

    Its been what? 2 days since you got this advice. Dont expect change so soon. What indicators are you using that suggest your strength/gains are not where you think they should be? Also you never gave any stats here. Height, weight, bodyfat % guesstimate, Protein:Fat:Carb intake by grams etc.

    #80744

    Lesli Bortz
    Participant

    Do you have the book?Did you do the prep phase?

    Yeah - I'm a little confused as to what you are eating...I have beef/bacon/cheese twice a day, coffee every morning and carbs for CBL night before I train. I have a riduculous amount of energy. No nuts, seeds, sugar-free drinks, protein bars, or protein shake before bed (not sure if this is in the book - been awhile since I read it). I'm sure some of those are included in some people's diet but it seems to me that there are a lot of less-than-ideal foods that you are consuming. I just try and keep it simple and as close to the book (or updates via the forum/Kiefer) as possible.

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