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    lee dunstan
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    I have been doing CBL for the last few years and have had great results,but i have been having mild chest pains and have had my cholesterol checked and its 9.7mmol/l total,hdl is 1.7 and 5.6 tc/hdl ratio. The doc said it could be Familial Hypercholesterolemia as i have it in the family. So do i go back to a low fat diet?

    #396595

    Robert Haas
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    First: Determine what the chest pains are coming from. Tell your physician to quit guessing and get more lab work done.
    Second: HDL is a positive risk factor. High HDL is a good thing. Need to know what your LDL is and even then it may not matter.

    You could go back to a low fat diet if you or your physician believes the 50 years of dogma that suggest high fat diets are the cause of the problem. After all these years pushing low fat diets heart disease is still the number one killer in the US so low fat diets clearly aren’t working.

    The eyes can't see what the mind doesn't understand.

    #396617

    lee dunstan
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    Thanks for the reply Rob,i know low fat is not the way to go but can not help but feel a little worried.
    Two years a go my cholesterol was 8mmol/l and hdl was 2.7,due to a lack of energy i upped my fats and lowered my vegetable intake,i can only assume the higher total fat/lower hdl is because of this.
    My mother has Familial Hypercholesterolemia and if i have it too i will have high cholesterol no matter what diet i follow,but at what point is too much cholesterol too much?

    #396736

    Robert Haas
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    Cholesterol isn’t the problem it’s oxidized cholesterol that cause the arterial plaque build up.
    Cholesterol is used for 70% of your brain function and is used to make all of your steroid hormones.
    I’m not familiar with Familial Hypercholesterolemia beyond that it is some sort of disorder that the conversion to pregenalone doesn’t happen correctly. Like I mentioned previously: If it were me, I’d want to know what exactly is going on. Only way to know for sure is more thorough testing. I would not except the suggestion from a physician to go on a low fat diet or be prescribed statin drugs to lower cholesterol.
    Honestly I think your doctor may not be thorough enough in his diagnosis. Keep on him or her to find the root of the problem.
    Have they determined for sure why you are having mild chest pains?

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    #396737

    Robert Haas
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    lowered my vegetable intake

    Why? Leafy greens are your friend. So are the liberal use of anti-oxidants.

    The eyes can't see what the mind doesn't understand.

    #397423

    lee dunstan
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    Dumping the veg was a big mistake i agree!

    Had a copy of the bloods Total 9.4 HDL 1.9 LDL 6.8 Ratio 5.So is that ok? or do i need to raise hdl and have a better ratio??

    They also said that i have raised creatine in my liver and have booked for more blood tests in a month time.

    #397431

    Robert Haas
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    creatinine levels are metabolites cleared from blood by the kidneys not the liver. Raised levels in kidneys are common among people who train hard and eat higher protein levels. Nothing to be concerned about unless it is unusually high and you have some sort of a kidney condition or are on a prescription for lithium.

    5 on the ratio on ldl to hdl is a little high. I would eat more seafood and spend more time in the sun. Seafood gives you more bioavailable DHA. Combine that with sunlight will help with Vit D & K2 doing it job in getting more of that LDL converted into downstream hormones before it has a chance to oxidize and cause problems.

    The eyes can't see what the mind doesn't understand.

    #398758

    lee dunstan
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    Thanks again for your advice Rob,i have started to eat more seafood and bought a Nutribullet (not a big fan of veg so this seemed a good option).

    I have been using fish oils since i read the book some years a go.

    What would be a good/ideal cholesterol ratio?

    #398774

    Robert Haas
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    Thanks again for your advice Rob,i have started to eat more seafood and bought a Nutribullet (not a big fan of veg so this seemed a good option).

    I have been using fish oils since i read the book some years a go.

    What would be a good/ideal cholesterol ratio?

    Fish oils: I have used these too BUT since I’ve been doing more and more research and personal experimentation I’m finding seafood is far superior to fish oils. I’ll even go as far as fish oils can actually be detrimental. Don’t get me wrong the science is good as far as DHA & EPA but the method of delivery and preferential ratios are what is far superior and most bioavailable.

    Let me get back with you on the HDL/LDL ratios. I need to go back and research it so I can give you accurate information. Stay tuned.

    The eyes can't see what the mind doesn't understand.

    #404950

    Robert Haas
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    Sorry, late getting back to this. I don’t know what to tell you about ratios. There are 3 different combinations of ratios that I know of but with all the dogma out there regarding cholesterol, I’d do some research. Myself I’m going to read “The Great Cholesterol myth” as soon as it gets here. From what I know now the bad LDL is the small dense particles. The large fluffy LDL particles are normal. Like I mentioned before from what I understand it’s the oxidation of the small dense particles from the consumption of processed carbs that cause the arterial plaque build up that cause heart disease. As far as I know there are no test for small dense LDL particles. I’ve heard the best method now is testing for HS-C Reactive protein for inflammatory marker which could indicate LDL particle oxidation.

    Not making any recommendations and I’m not a doctor, but can tell you what I would do is stay away from processed carbs and ask my doctor for the HS-CRP test.

    The eyes can't see what the mind doesn't understand.

    #404975

    Brandon D Christ
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    If you have Familial Hypercholesterolemia you are probably going to need to monitor your cholesterol measures.

    While high cholesterol and LDL are not necessarily bad, they aren’t necessarily ok either. Most experts on cholesterol agree that it is a very complex subject and there aren’t hard “rules” on analyzing the numbers.

    Epidemiology, while limited for pinpointing causes, is great for finding trends. Total cholesterol between levels of 200 mg/dl and 240 are associated with lowest rates of all diseases. You are at 175 mg/dl (converted from 9.7 mmol/l). Sometimes we obsess over cardiovascular disease so much when we look at blood work, that we forget in the end of the day we want to avoid all diseases, not just a few.

    In the end of the day, people with total cholesterol between 200 and 240 tend to be the healthiest.

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