Well, this certainly isn't how Kiefer describes Carb Nite, but if it worked for you great.Kiefer specifically says:* Fructose does not matter on CN, only CBL* People who try to eat 'clean' don't get as good results as those who eat 'dirty'* 50% of people might need to avoid gluten, and he tries to, but doesn't worry if he does eat itBut yes, I agree with going for high quality meat, and high quality fats while cutting Omega 6/plant oils.

Yes, he says eat quality MEAT on ULC days, and eat JUNK on the actual carb nite.I would never advocate that anyone eat McDonalds EVER, and I'm proud to say that I have never, and will never eat a beefburger from there and that 90% of the meat I consume today is organic and grass-fed.

It'd be ketogenesis that we want to be in rather than ketosis. Ketosis is when you ketones get too high, raising insulin to remove them from your system.  Other than that thing then yes I pretty much agree with what was said above by every one except these couple points.Fructose is stored in organs and a little in muscle tissue and that's it.  It's one of those things that muscle mass kinda is irrelevant. Glut 4 and 12 can not move it and so resistance training has no efffect on fructose and where it goes.  Depending on how big you are (overall not muscularly) everyone if I recall has around 50-60ish grams of fructose that their body needs to fill stores with.  After that you're simply spilling over, and burning it out or converting it to fat.  But just because fructose stores are full does not mean the rest of your glycogen stores are. All the other sugars that are moved by glut 4 and 12 need filling. The body has a place for everything it doesn't lump things together much.  It is true Keifer has said that the reason he eats junk is to satiate his inner fat kid which is my reason too lol  You technically "need" some fructose to completely fill your carb stores.  But keep in mind what Keifer eats and what some or alot of us have access to are completely different.  I've heard of Keifer and Alex both pounding down donuts and other things but these are of a higher quality made at good bakeries and what have you.  Where I bet alot of us are buying our turnovers and donuts at a grocery store. Where rather than lard and sugar, fresh or fresher fruit etc... the ones we get use vegetable shortening and high fructose corn syrup as the first ingredients and fruit-stuff from a plastic bucket in a walk in cooler. Or a product with all that made simply in a factory. lolThere's a vast difference.  Eating a high quality bakery item and something from your local supermarket/dunken donuts is totally different.The amount of fructose in all 4 turnovers that you make yourself or get from someone who cares about food quality would be totally different than ones you get out of the freezer or off the shelf. It says right in it, at least in the cbl book that the junkiest crap still has to be somewhat wholesome as in if you're gonna eat shit, make sure it's the awesomest shit you can get. lol  Buying donuts at DD/supermart is the same as eating mcdonalds or worse even.  Now that point out of the way. lolKeifer has said time and time again that these protocols are like puzzle piece or legos and while there is a template..the building is of your own doing.  And he's been great in giving us ways to tweak and supercharge the results we get.  Now some of us maybe don't wanna get there quite so fast or aren't ready to commit totally 110% and just enjoy working out, eating stuff they haven't touched in forever and not getting fatter or even getting a little more lean.But for those who want to go as fast and get as much from this as possible, it's there for you when you're ready. And I like that.  For myself I had always went toally wrong until CBL trying desperately hard to out train a horrible diet. lol  So initially for me CBL became entitlement. Now I could eat shit maybe even more than I want to and lose weight? And I ate the worst of the worst which is why if you look at my log it wasn't until fall that I started making real progress on the fat loss end.  I don't update it much because I don't have my own computer and so when I gave access to one and use it for here I'm trying to catch up on podcasts and stuff.  Even still I'm not totally completely committed yet. I'm still eating those god awfull  grocery store turnovers and it's amazing how well the diet protocols work that even then I'm not getting fatter.Phil's point about this being a ketogenic diet is a great one that we all need to take to heart if we haven't already, plain and simple.  This is a protein and fat diet. That's what you eat. It's not a carb diet. Neither protocol is. You being able to have carbs even awesome ones at specific times is just a small part of the overall plan. Important but not the focus of your eating habits or shouldn't be. Whether or not Keifer overlooked food quality it should be common sense that the better the food you put in the better you'll be. Especially on protocols so dependent on going on how your body feels.Carb nite you're going to take a little step back no matter what you do, Keifer says so in the biojacked podcasts that you have to go a whole 6 hours spikiing insulin to restart your metabolism for the next ketogenic cycle.. Past 4 hours it's going to start going to fats stores. So Bigger spike the better.  Don't worry about scales and gaining the same 5 pounds and losing them. Look in the mirror.Guys are you starting to get vascular or vascular in places you weren't before or for the thinner guys are your abs and cuts getting more defined?  Take pictures keep trackLadies how's your pants fitting?  Are your clothes getting loser? Are you seeing some abs poking through? That piece of metal with numbers on it tells you just one thing. Gravity still works.  Make sure you take pictures of yourself front and back like once a month and see how you're progressing.  Don't underestimate the power of stress.  Too much stress can derail results even if you're body would otherwise shed fat effortlessly.  That's part of why the people who don't worry so much about what they eat do better.  Even eating potentially worse, they're hormonally more alligned to lose the fat than those of us who may obsess on numbers a little bit too much  😉This post struck a note with me for some reason didn't mean to throw down a giant wall of text I guess just felt like giving something back myself because I know once I give this diet the 110% i will get where I wanna be. I think this thread is a great idea but I don't want people to be go off the deep end and not eat anything and stall for other reasons.  It's not just all thanks to Keifer though the big man who transformed himself into a real big man deserves most of it for digging deep into the books and making it easier for everybody to do what he's done already. Get the body we want for ourselves. For health, asthetics, strength everything. But a big thanks also really goes to this whole community.  There's not a better place around than dangerously hardcore to find something new or inspirational to power through another day with the weights or another day with no carbs and no carbs in sight for a whole week or both lol To everyone who's been here since the beginning and were the guinea pigs putting their physiques and health on the line for the mad scientist who ended up being mad like a fox. And to those who learned from them, and started here and got this sight running and keep it running to this day.  All the great help and knowledgeable people that are around basically any place you look.  You know who you are.  So that when people like me came in later on I have this wealth of research and testing and experimenting and successful teaks and not so successful lol That I can look at and look up on a whim. It's all here and always getting better all the time.  ;DWith Carb Nite and CBL even if you're "doing it wrong" you're doing it right as long as you learn from the things you don't do or do too much or have too much lol it'll put you one step closer to your ultimate goal.Sorry if I went a little off the topic there but really, thanks everybody, and patience? With all this stuff going on with all these amazing people doing awesome shit the journey is almost as fun as the results.  End wall of text.

Thanks for the post Big Tex and Go Heavy.Firstly to Go Heavy I really enjoyed your post and I am glad we have shared similar experiences, don't get me wrong, I too have a strong sweet tooth:Things I've done on Carb-Nite's and Carb-Backloads (earlier in the year). Stuff like this was more frequent while I was doing Intermittent Fasting the year before. And yes my "Macros" were dead on point most of at least 90% of the time. - I have Backloaded McDonalds Chicken Nuggets, and Fries- On Carb-Nite I've eaten a Box of Crispy Cream Donuts to myself- In 1 sitting I have eaten 2 Whole Pizza's to myself - oh and lets not forget the box of Chocolate Poptarts that followed that (yes extreme binge that night)- I've also done Back-Loads with 5-8 pieces of fruit followed by plates of high fructose veggies Update Additional note to GoHeavy: You made a brilliant point about people stressing out to much. I am one of those people and that is why I am so desperate to tell people (or more rather to convince myself) to just to chill, eat some quality foods, and your body will do the rest. If somebody just told me this 3 years ago, I would most likely would have been able to enjoy life much more not having to worry about every single detail, and whether I am taking every single "correct supplement", or whether missing my 1 hour fast, period means my life is completely and utterly destroyed. To Big Tex:With regards to the Economic Factor. That is a fantastic point. I am not Bill Gates, and neither are most people. I think someone could make a Post on this. I try to be as smart of a shopper as I can but some-things are just plain expensive and I would much rather spend my money somewhere else. But again that's why I wrote this post- I don't buy Whey Protein at the moment (even though I would probably see geat benefits from doing so, it costs $70 for most CFM Whey Protein)- I don't buy all the supplements which would probably be beneficial i.e. Krill Oil, Japanese Tea blendsThe New staples of my diet or just eggs and butter. And these things can be bought cheaply. For me personally it has been such a dramatic change in my own life so far just by making some small changes so I was trying to catch attention to say - hey, if your struggling, maybe you will enjoy some benefits from looking at these things. And you'd be surprised by how many people make mistakes - it's like how there are a number of Doctors that smoke, they are educated to know that it is bad, but sometimes it requires someone just to emphasise it further to them to make that change that will dramatically change their lives. And it took life experience to do that to me.Thanks again for your post, I'll keep open minded and make sure to clarify a bit more. I added an Update based to clarify things a bit further hopefully it will help.

Well, this certainly isn't how Kiefer describes Carb Nite, but if it worked for you great.Kiefer specifically says:* Fructose does not matter on CN, only CBL* People who try to eat 'clean' don't get as good results as those who eat 'dirty'* 50% of people might need to avoid gluten, and he tries to, but doesn't worry if he does eat itBut yes, I agree with going for high quality meat, and high quality fats while cutting Omega 6/plant oils.

Just so we're clear, by "clean" he means people who eat brown rice and wheat pasta...the normal bodybuilder stuff. He defines cleaner carb nites and backloads as white rice, sweet potatoes and ripe bananas. And then dirty is cakes, pastries and cookies. Right?I think Philip's post is brilliant on eating some really healthy, high quality food. Some people need to clean up their act or perhaps realize that foods they once considered healthy to actually be a problem for their health. It's not absolutely necessary you do everything he listed all the time, but his bullets show how you can optimize your health on CN.From what I understand, Kiefer has come out and made specific points about ridding plant oils, ridding gluten and consuming omega 3's. He relates gluten as probably the most likely culprit of gut health too. He's targeted gut health in his own way, the omega 3:6 problem, and by doing carb nite, he doesn't let you eat wheat or grains except for 1 night every 5ish days, and even then, he's still firm on gluten. I think his diet silently dances around alot of the most important paleo principles that should get you the weight loss you desire. And he does it without outright associating his diet to paleo, and I think it works to his benefit. Paleo gets a lot of shit and acts as an umbrella for crazies to hide under.