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    AdamFiddler
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    Is there any way in hell one could to do this on Carb Nite?  It's only 2 days per week and low volume at that, which is why I ask.  The explicit program is on page 3 of the article.  http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/boost_your_deadlift_40_pounds_in_6_weeks

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    Richard Schmitt
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    Whoa…for either Squats or Deadlifts huh? Explains some of the pictures with people standing on DB or Plates Squating.I don't see how this would not be ok for CNS. I mean go for it! Improve your DL using PMT! I'm sure you're going to add some type of assistance in the middle of the week or keep as is?

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    AdamFiddler
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    I only do programs as written these days.  Doing anything else in my experience is either asking for trouble or sub-par results.  The programs calls for assistance work if you read all of page 3, but I would not be training more than two times per week.

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    Richard Schmitt
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    Yeah I read it all, I was just curious if you planned on anything in the middle of the week is all. I'd say try it out.

    #130816

    tzanghi
    Participant

    I've increased my deadlift 30 lbs on my deadlift 5RM in 6 weeks from just doing 5×3 heavy power cleans on Monday and a new 5RM on deadlifts on Friday.

    #130817

    AdamFiddler
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    Thanks tzanghi,  I could see that working really well.  I've just found that if I deadlift and power clean at the same time it tends to mess with my deadlift.  I could see working up to a heavy 5 or even 3RM twice per week on the deadlift being beneficial though. 

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    tzanghi
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    I could see working up to a heavy 5 or even 3RM twice per week on the deadlift being beneficial though.

    It depends on where your deadlift is at.  I deadlifted 3 times a week at 3x5 when my deadlift was just getting over 2 plates.  You could probably ride out working up to a heavy 5 2x per week until your deadlift hits 350 or so depending upon your other lower body work.  I personally enjoy squatting a lot, so I have to take some volume off of deadlifting.

    #130819

    AdamFiddler
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    My deadlift is pretty low (340).  I've gotta be honest, though, I've really stopped buying into the idea that “when you get to a certain stage you just can't recover as fast” because that seems to do more with how you're conditioning your nervous system and the emotional arousal of training than it does with your muscles.  I'm not that 99% of really strong people are wrong, I'm just saying that there appears to be a component of strength which is largely unexplored.  Bob Peoples, for example, worked his way up to being able to do a daily max deadlift every day.  One of my favorite quotes on weightlifting is something to the effect of "If you aren't recovering from workouts, you're not overtrained, you're undertrained."

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    tzanghi
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    My deadlift is pretty low (340).  I've gotta be honest, though, I've really stopped buying into the idea that "when you get to a certain stage you just can't recover as fast" because that seems to do more with how you're conditioning your nervous system and the emotional arousal of training than it does with your muscles.  I'm not that 99% of really strong people are wrong, I'm just saying that there appears to be a component of strength which is largely unexplored.  Bob Peoples, for example, worked his way up to being able to do a daily max deadlift every day.  One of my favorite quotes on weightlifting is something to the effect of "If you aren't recovering from workouts, you're not overtrained, you're undertrained."

    Each person is different, and I'd love to push my limits, but I just don't want to waste time running myself into the ground.  I recently did a really heavy 5x5 and was still sore 4 days later when I was supposed to do an even heavier 5RM test; obviously I didn't hit it, and that's when I realized I was overtrained.  I don't find muscles usually to be the problem with over training, but rather the ever annoying CNS.  The other component is that CBL is not a high calorie diet unless maybe you're density bulking.  If you eat everything in sight, yea you can probably get away with maxing out more often, but then you're going to be putting on tons of weight.  Also, maxing out on a single exercise daily will likely stall progress on other lifts; for instance, if I max out deadlift once per day, when am I going to squat heavy?Some people can handle the extra load, and it just takes time to get used to it, but I don't think it'd be fruitful without a lot of food.

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