Neck-cramp from deadlift during CNS

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    tommydyhr
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    Hi all.A little over two weeks ago I started the prep phase, and I had my first carb nite last saturday. I'm following the shockwave protocol, so friday dictated deadlifts (which, in fact, has always been my favorite exercise), but during my second set around the 5th rep, an excruciating pain came from the back of my skull, and I had to throw down the bar immediately. This pain was followed by an immense headache which actually remained for a few days. Since then, I've skipped all deadlifts in my program. Just today I attempted some light sumo deadlifts (around 200 lbs - 45 % of 1RM), but unfortunately the pain came back - not as intense this time around, though.I've always been very fond of deadlifts, and I don't doubt my form, as I've never had any similar pain or trouble during deadlifts whatsoever, nor have I ever felt this kind of cramp in my neck. This is also why I can't help but link it to the CNS, and I'm sure you guys can explain what I'm doing wrong, or have experienced something like this.I'm supplementing with potassium, magnesium, and of course the obligatory multivitamin and omega 3's. I'm averaging around 200 g protein and 150 g fat per day, and I currently weigh in at 185 lbs.Any help is appreciated since this is pretty much a dealbreaker for the CNS for me, and I'm fairly certain there is some kind of solution to this 🙂 Thanks in advance.

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    BenjaminD
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    I highly doubt this was the result of anything related to your diet. I would attribute this to your head/neck position during the rep or perhaps you took your air in poorly/incorrectly. More often than not, we do not acknowledge poor form because we do not see it or we just do know any better so maybe you unintentionally pulled “out of your groove.”On the other hand, these things happen from time to time. It is possible you slept in an awkward position and the strain from the lift aggrevated something. I would just forego the deads for a session or two.Addressing these problems through rest and recovery is safer (and smarter) than trying to force the issue so take your time.

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    tommydyhr
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    I highly doubt this was the result of anything related to your diet. I would attribute this to your head/neck position during the rep or perhaps you took your air in poorly/incorrectly. More often than not, we do not acknowledge poor form because we do not see it or we just do know any better so maybe you unintentionally pulled "out of your groove."On the other hand, these things happen from time to time. It is possible you slept in an awkward position and the strain from the lift aggrevated something. I would just forego the deads for a session or two.Addressing these problems through rest and recovery is safer (and smarter) than trying to force the issue so take your time.

    You may be right, I just find it really peculiar that it just happens like this all of a sudden. I've been working out for 4 years, and never had any problems. Two weeks into a new regime, this happens. I will skip deadlift for a couple of weeks, and when I attempt it again I'll make damn sure that my form is virtually exemplary. If the pain comes back, I'll probably contact my GP or a chiropractor.

    #136414

    BenjaminD
    Member

    I highly doubt this was the result of anything related to your diet. I would attribute this to your head/neck position during the rep or perhaps you took your air in poorly/incorrectly. More often than not, we do not acknowledge poor form because we do not see it or we just do know any better so maybe you unintentionally pulled "out of your groove."On the other hand, these things happen from time to time. It is possible you slept in an awkward position and the strain from the lift aggrevated something. I would just forego the deads for a session or two.Addressing these problems through rest and recovery is safer (and smarter) than trying to force the issue so take your time.

    You may be right, I just find it really peculiar that it just happens like this all of a sudden. I've been working out for 4 years, and never had any problems. Two weeks into a new regime, this happens. I will skip deadlift for a couple of weeks, and when I attempt it again I'll make damn sure that my form is virtually exemplary. If the pain comes back, I'll probably contact my GP or a chiropractor.

    I would skip the GP; in my experience, it will just be a waste of time.

    #136415

    Reis
    Participant

    You may be right, I just find it really peculiar that it just happens like this all of a sudden. I've been working out for 4 years, and never had any problems. Two weeks into a new regime, this happens.

    One thing this diet does is dehydrate you quickly, especially on carb nites.  ULC throughout the week has me taking in a TON more water to keep up.  Nothing will cramp your tissue faster, especially under load, than dehydration.  My standard intake is 1oz of water per lb of bodyweight daily.  The RDA of 64oz or 8 glasses of water daily is absolute crap.  Be sure your electrolyte intake is regular to maximize absorption of your fluid intake.  Dehydration can cause tremendous inefficiency in your body's processing of water intake, and you may waste a lot of what you take in if you don't.  I make sure to throw a NUUN tablet into my water after working out, as I dump up to a lb of sweat in every session at the gym.I wrote a blog post about this subject a while back...maybe check it out and see if this might be the culprit.

    #136416

    decoy5657
    Member

    Skip the GP and go for a good sports medicine type person… a physical therapist or chiro that understands weightlifting. Your GP will probably give you some flexeril and say to stop lifting and drink gatorade.  😮

    #136417

    tommydyhr
    Guest

    Thanks for the replies – much appreciated!The dehydration (lack of electrolytes, specifically) sound very likely. I do drink around 120-150 oz of water every day, but I'm using a cheap run-of-the-mill multivitamin. I will make sure to buy some electrolyte-solution with my next supplements, but it'll be a while. Is there any way to remedy this without supplements in the meantime?

    #136418

    Thanks for the replies - much appreciated!The dehydration (lack of electrolytes, specifically) sound very likely. I do drink around 120-150 oz of water every day, but I'm using a cheap run-of-the-mill multivitamin. I will make sure to buy some electrolyte-solution with my next supplements, but it'll be a while. Is there any way to remedy this without supplements in the meantime?

    More sodium and potassium.Either get a "reduced sodium" salt which is almost always cut with potassium or eat more salt and avocados.

    #136419

    decoy5657
    Member

    "reduced sodium" salt which is almost always cut with potassium

    Interesting.

    #136420

    tommydyhr
    Guest

    Thanks for the replies - much appreciated!The dehydration (lack of electrolytes, specifically) sound very likely. I do drink around 120-150 oz of water every day, but I'm using a cheap run-of-the-mill multivitamin. I will make sure to buy some electrolyte-solution with my next supplements, but it'll be a while. Is there any way to remedy this without supplements in the meantime?

    More sodium and potassium.Either get a "reduced sodium" salt which is almost always cut with potassium or eat more salt and avocados.

    I'll see what I can find in my supermarket. Just today I've started popping a potassium-pill prior to my workout.A bit of a bonus question:I'm currently around 7-8 % BF, and I'm having my carb-nite every 6 th day. I lift weights 5 times a week. How do I gauge whether this carb-nite frequency is correct or not?

    #136421

    Thanks for the replies - much appreciated!The dehydration (lack of electrolytes, specifically) sound very likely. I do drink around 120-150 oz of water every day, but I'm using a cheap run-of-the-mill multivitamin. I will make sure to buy some electrolyte-solution with my next supplements, but it'll be a while. Is there any way to remedy this without supplements in the meantime?

    More sodium and potassium.Either get a "reduced sodium" salt which is almost always cut with potassium or eat more salt and avocados.

    I'll see what I can find in my supermarket. Just today I've started popping a potassium-pill prior to my workout.A bit of a bonus question:I'm currently around 7-8 % BF, and I'm having my carb-nite every 6 th day. I lift weights 5 times a week. How do I gauge whether this carb-nite frequency is correct or not?

    Do you feel like shit? How much do you eat during the week?

    #136422

    tommydyhr
    Guest

    Do you feel like shit? How much do you eat during the week?

    Apart from the cramps and headaches, I actually feel quite alright, and moderately energetic during my workouts.I'm around 200 g protein, 150 g fat, and the odd 15-20 g carbs on ULC days. I'm having a hard time getting much more than this to be honest.

    #136424

    Do you feel like shit? How much do you eat during the week?

    Apart from the cramps and headaches, I actually feel quite alright, and moderately energetic during my workouts.I'm around 200 g protein, 150 g fat, and the odd 15-20 g carbs on ULC days. I'm having a hard time getting much more than this to be honest.

    What are your stats?I'd bet you could do 2 a week.

    #136425

    tommydyhr
    Guest

    Do you feel like shit? How much do you eat during the week?

    Apart from the cramps and headaches, I actually feel quite alright, and moderately energetic during my workouts.I'm around 200 g protein, 150 g fat, and the odd 15-20 g carbs on ULC days. I'm having a hard time getting much more than this to be honest.

    What are your stats?I'd bet you could do 2 a week.

    I weigh just around 185 lbs, 6'1", and as I said ~7% body fat. But I guess there's only one real way to find out: experiment 🙂

    #136423

    cloudybrain
    Participant

    @tommydyhrCan't believe I missed this post, I had the same problem during the deadlift. Cramp in my lower back, which I fixed. And cramp in my neck, which I fixed.For the neck part, I concentrated on my breathing, and drank water with a pinch of salt for the sodium content (I haven't added any potassium or magnesium before, but I've read online that it helps). You also don't want to warm up too much. The shockwave protocol has a warm up dead lift and the actual heavier dead lift. The warm up should be light and the weights should be used sparingly. You're basically using that exercise to get your posture ready, and to commit some memory into your muscle before the actual lift. But you want to get weights that you can repeat up to 15 times with a little rest as possible between sets, so you can take your break at rep 3.You can lift less for a few weeks to correct the breathing and use rehydration methods, and then you will be back to your old weights really quick.

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