Scientific backup for Kiefers n-3 FA recommendations

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    Ethon
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    See the subject. Kiefer recommends 5g of DHA per day, all other recommendations I found suggest less than half.The references from the book didn't really help.Thanks!Ethon

    #157545

    earlyriser
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    If you eat a fair bit of Salmon and other seafood as well as grass fed beef then you won't need as much fish oil supplements.Another approach to take is to do your best to eliminate Omega 6's then you will need less Omega 3's to keep yourself at the optimal ratio.

    #157546

    Fernando Aguilar
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    Kiefer recommends up to 15 grams of omega 3 fish oils to be taken during the day.He recommends that because you need to consider you ratio of omega 3 to 6(the 3s needs to be higher) and since we eat a lot of stuff that was omega 6 we should supplement whit 3s. Also the omega 3 are the most difficult fatty acid to get into cells and the easiest  to release and on top of that they help whit muscle hypertrophy.Hope that helps

    #157547

    Ethon
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    Well, thanks for your explanations, but I am interested in a study or something.I had a discussion with guy with a lot of nutrition background and his opinion is that 1-2g DHA/EPA are enough to fight inflammation and more than that is bad because high omega-3 PUFA consumption may lead to immunosuppression and prolong bleeding time.So I started to check the studies that Kiefer references and I failed to find one suggesting more than 3g EPA/DHA. But Kiefer recommends 5g.

    #157548

    Fernando Aguilar
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    I don't know about that, i haven't really research the studies that kiefer mentions.But i have read a lot about the inuit populations and they had massive amounts of omega 3 in their diet and had no problems in health... They also did not eat carbs so maybe you could ask your friend if the studies that he read were done in people who had a carb rich diet..? From what i have read once you introduce carbs to your diet every think starts to change... 

    #157549

    Brandon D Christ
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    Kiefer gets the 5 g of EPA/DHA from the FDA or some other US Govt agency.  That is the max amount of fish oil they determined to be safe.  Kiefer has a more is better attitude since the more n-3 you consume the lower the viscosity of the cell membranes are.  He even said before to take 15 g as Joker has said.To my knowledge, most recommendations are for health and anti-inflammatory purposes, which is not what Kiefer bases his recommendation on.  You are going to have to actually purchase the studies and read the whole thing, not just the abstracts.

    #157550

    hack_attack
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    Yeah, that's what I would say too. Keifer has read so many of these things that it's staggering. Gotta pay the troll toll.

    #157551

    To my knowledge, most recommendations are for health and anti-inflammatory purposes, which is not what Kiefer bases his recommendation on. 

    I think a lot of people are forgetting this fact.

    #157552

    Brandon D Christ
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    To my knowledge, most recommendations are for health and anti-inflammatory purposes, which is not what Kiefer bases his recommendation on. 

    I think a lot of people are forgetting this fact.

    Exactly, Kiefer has even said in the CBL book that the idea that fish oil is good for your heart is speculative.

    #157553

    tzanghi
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    In a podcast last month, Robb Wolf recanted his position on large amounts of fish oil being good for you citing oxidative stress that it can cause.  I've heard a few experts claim that they misinterpreted the studies and that excess fish oil is no longer their recommendation, but you can make the decision for yourself.

    #157554

    Brandon D Christ
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    In a podcast last month, Robb Wolf recanted his position on large amounts of fish oil being good for you citing oxidative stress that it can cause.  I've heard a few experts claim that they misinterpreted the studies and that excess fish oil is no longer their recommendation, but you can make the decision for yourself.

    I heard that as well.  However I believe it was more geared toward those people who consume a lot of omega 6 and try to balance it out by taking omega 3.  Regardless, this again is a health based recommendation unlike Kiefers.

    #157555

    tzanghi
    Participant

    In a podcast last month, Robb Wolf recanted his position on large amounts of fish oil being good for you citing oxidative stress that it can cause.  I've heard a few experts claim that they misinterpreted the studies and that excess fish oil is no longer their recommendation, but you can make the decision for yourself.

    I heard that as well.  However I believe it was more geared toward those people who consume a lot of omega 6 and try to balance it out by taking omega 3.  Regardless, this again is a health based recommendation unlike Kiefers.

    This is correct.  I believe he still said that they can cause some oxidative damage regardless of omega 6 intake, but this doesn't address Kiefer's claims of its anabolic effects.  I personally wouldn't want to risk longevity for the potential anabolic effects, though.

    #157556

    Brandon D Christ
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    I just stick with 5 g anyways.  More than that was causing GI issues with me.

    #157557

    Fernando Aguilar
    Participant

    I just stick with 5 g anyways.  More than that was causing GI issues with me.

    Seems you can't have to much fat in your diet brow... :/

    #157558

    Brandon D Christ
    Participant

    I just stick with 5 g anyways.  More than that was causing GI issues with me.

    Seems you can't have to much fat in your diet brow... :/

    My digestion does start to suck once I regularly go above 140 g.  I still think I consume a decent amount of fat though.  I am usually around 110 g for the day.

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