8)Carb Night is also billed as a solution for those who do 0 training to lose fat and preserve muscle. While I play a fair amount of competitive tennis, I do not lift. Ever.  I am only 5'10' and weighed 251 with exactly 41% BF, a mess.  My goal is to lose 50 pounds of body fat and add muscle. 46 years oldI have great respect and admiration for the members of this board who are body builders. You are clearly in the "top 1% of the 1%" when it comes to precision of Macros, and incorporating your fitness regimen and diet to maxmize your resultsWhile I understand this is a high power regiment not to be confused with a lifestyle, I will still always look to find foods that I can incorporate into the diet that are within the letter of the rules if not always the spirit. I do not plan to exceed 30 carbs nor is my goal 0. I will vigilantly count trace carbs. Perhaps I can be a test case to find out where the line is between fitness, body comp, and still enjoying food. My rules:- No SA except a small emount of Eryth as part of a Splenda/Eryth/Stevia packet blend I use as a baking sugar sub- Avoid everything on the top two "foods to avoid" lists- start each day with coffee + HWC and stay within the given parameters for fasting and maxmizing the morning burn- Start carbnights with a low fat, high simple carb mealI look forward to sharing alternate recipes and tips to make this a sustainable process while reaping 98% of the benefits. This seems like a "top 1%" crowd and that's not probably me, but perhaps I can be here for those who demand a little flexibility but still want results