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July 30, 2013 at 6:06 pm #190406
Tiago NicolauParticipantDo you strech at all?Do constant daily streches, if you cant do them because of lacerating pain then its a injury,But if you dont do streches regulary, your hamstrings may be too contracted all the time giving you less motion
July 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm #190407
dspence1GuestAganor – I had not stretched after a brutal stretch of running and leg days and def. pulled the hamstring (couldn't run for about a week).After learning the hard way of being on the wrong side of 30, I do a light stretch and active movements prior, 5m warmup jog (~9m/mile), more stretching then the actual HIIT. My first round is always like 75% full strength just as another precaution.After follows more stretching, 15m break and then into the weight room.That's kinda why I went the route of maybe not having enough of something in my diet (potassium? - not in my multivitamen and one thing I don't get since I do AM workouts)
July 30, 2013 at 6:32 pm #190408
Tiago NicolauParticipantInst potassium about muscle spasms?If you massage your tight hamstring, do you find any hard and contracted spot?Sometimes my calves get really tense after leg day since i do the kiefer calve WO, but it goes away with rest,Try eating more bananas and see if that maintains
July 30, 2013 at 8:44 pm #190409
Brandon D ChristParticipantTo the point of almost not being able to not walk correctly?
I've had DOMS so bad that I would waddle when I walked. It isn't from a nutrition deficiency, it's from damaging the muscle fibers on the eccentric portion of the lifts. It's just from training hard.I personally don't get why this is a problem, but if you need to avoid it because you do a sport or manual labor, do concentric only exercises.
July 31, 2013 at 7:03 am #190410
dspence1GuestI've had DOMS so bad that I would waddle when I walked. It isn't from a nutrition deficiency, it's from damaging the muscle fibers on the eccentric portion of the lifts. It's just from training hard. - Waddle...that's intenseI personally don't get why this is a problem, but if you need to avoid it because you do a sport or manual labor, do concentric only exercises. - Yeah, both really.
July 31, 2013 at 8:43 am #190412
PhattyMemberTo the point of almost not being able to not walk correctly?
I've had DOMS so bad that I would waddle when I walked. It isn't from a nutrition deficiency, it's from damaging the muscle fibers on the eccentric portion of the lifts. It's just from training hard.I personally don't get why this is a problem, but if you need to avoid it because you do a sport or manual labor, do concentric only exercises.
There's a term that gets thrown around a lot in the UK after a heavy leg day, "walking like you've been bummed".
July 31, 2013 at 12:03 pm #190411
Tiago NicolauParticipantIn here we just use the “new walking style” after a proper leg-day lol
July 31, 2013 at 2:11 pm #190413
Brandon D ChristParticipantI've had DOMS so bad that I would waddle when I walked. It isn't from a nutrition deficiency, it's from damaging the muscle fibers on the eccentric portion of the lifts. It's just from training hard. - Waddle...that's intenseI personally don't get why this is a problem, but if you need to avoid it because you do a sport or manual labor, do concentric only exercises. - Yeah, both really.
If you like, you can post your training sessions an I can help you modify it so you won't get as much DOMS.
July 31, 2013 at 2:41 pm #190414
staralur03MemberIts called the “quaddle”. Quad waddleWas watching a talk today and I believe they implied less lactic acid is produced when in ketosis. But I'm not sure it's been proven that lactic acid is definitely what causes DOMS. I do think that diet does have an impact for sure. As well as training variation, intensity, and back to back day training of the same muscle groups.
July 31, 2013 at 3:20 pm #190415
Richard SchmittModerator“Drunken Walk” forums established this a while back XD
July 31, 2013 at 5:26 pm #190416
Tiago NicolauParticipantHeh, in this diet and in any diet my DOMS are all the same,Must have something to do with one's CNS type and resistance as well as the fiber damage!
July 31, 2013 at 6:22 pm #190417
Brandon D ChristParticipantHeh, in this diet and in any diet my DOMS are all the same,Must have something to do with one's CNS type and resistance as well as the fiber damage!
The CNS is actually irrelevant. DOMS is from the amount of damage caused to the muscle. Heavy eccentric contractions, a lot strain placed on the muscle (a stretch), high volume, and high intensity cause a lot of muscle damage.For example an exercise like a good morning with very heavy weight done to failure will likely cause a large amount of DOMS in the hamstrings. This is because the hamstrings are given a big stretch and undergoing a very heavy eccentric contraction. If this is done for a lot of volume the problem is compounded even more. However, if this is done very frequently the body will adjust and the DOMS will decrease. This is why frequency is very important when preventing DOMS. It is also why I am not a fan of "Weekend Warrior" training where the trainee inly trains two or three times a week.Now compare these good mornings to a reverse hyper. The reverse hyper will actually cause the hamstring to be activated a lot more than a good morning, yet is causes less DOMS. This is because the reverse hyper does not involve heavy eccentric contractions and the hamstring does not get anything near the stretch it gets in the good morning.The CNS is irrelevant because the CNS coordinates the movement regardless of whether or not heavy concentric contractions or stretching occurs. The Olympic lifts can destroy your CNS, yet they don't cause DOMS that much. This is because of the lack of eccentric phases of the lift.
July 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm #190418
Tiago NicolauParticipantSo the heavier the load the more wrecking is to the CNS?For example a 1 rep squat does more damage to the CNS than a 6 rep squat?I mean, i know it does but why?
July 31, 2013 at 7:49 pm #190419
Brandon D ChristParticipantSo the heavier the load the more wrecking is to the CNS?For example a 1 rep squat does more damage to the CNS than a 6 rep squat?I mean, i know it does but why?
It's a bit more complex than that. If you do a heavy single at 90 or 95% of your max, I would say it is less taxing on your CNS than doing your 6 rep max for 6 reps. I think the real question is what is harder on your CNS: a one rep max or a six rep max? I would lean towards the former, but I do not know for sure.You also have to control for the choice of exercise, resistance type (free weights, bands, machine, ect.), and skill level of the trainee.
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