Look, you don't have to count calories, but saying "cutting calories doesn't work" is foolish if we are talking about people with normal metabolisms.  I personally lost 40 lbs by simply just eating 1500 calories a day.  While that sounds like a sin to some of you that are on "team low carb", there really is more than one way to skin a cat.In general, reduced food intake will result in fat loss.

Precisely.. But nobody said that. What was said is that "counting calories is a must" in order to lose. Which is completely false.

exactly as said in one of my posts above for some people it may work for many it won't... clinically it has been shown not to work well in studies.. but of course that doesn't mean many people don't have success doing so.. it just is not "required" to lose bodyfat which is how this whole debate started...

Here is my 2 cents on the calorie matter.Only using calories as your main measurement in nutrition will not get your body fat down to single digits alone. Getting proper nutrition in yourself,  while being aware of calories will. But also it's more about the individual and what works for him or her.For example, I'm very ocd and I can't actually keep to eating well unless I count calories, and macros. But that is just me and that is how I managed to get down in single digits. My gym buddy doesn't count macros, calories but just listens to his body and gets good nutrition in him. He also has reached his goal to the single digit mark.I think when it comes to nutrition, it's all about experimenting and finding out what's best for you. Every 2 weeks take measurements and see if there is improvements or step backs and then look back and adjust. If your patient and stick with it, your come out winning Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

Look, you don't have to count calories, but saying "cutting calories doesn't work" is foolish if we are talking about people with normal metabolisms.  I personally lost 40 lbs by simply just eating 1500 calories a day.  While that sounds like a sin to some of you that are on "team low carb", there really is more than one way to skin a cat.In general, reduced food intake will result in fat loss.

Precisely.. But nobody said that. What was said is that "counting calories is a must" in order to lose. Which is completely false.

exactly as said in one of my posts above for some people it may work for many it won't... clinically it has been shown not to work well in studies.. but of course that doesn't mean many people don't have success doing so.. it just is not "required" to lose bodyfat which is how this whole debate started...

And this is what I disagree with. I think in general, reduced energy intake will cause people to lose fat.  Yes, certain people with deranged metabolisms will still fail to lose fat, but I think they are the exception.

Look, you don't have to count calories, but saying "cutting calories doesn't work" is foolish if we are talking about people with normal metabolisms.  I personally lost 40 lbs by simply just eating 1500 calories a day.  While that sounds like a sin to some of you that are on "team low carb", there really is more than one way to skin a cat.In general, reduced food intake will result in fat loss.

Precisely.. But nobody said that. What was said is that "counting calories is a must" in order to lose. Which is completely false.

exactly as said in one of my posts above for some people it may work for many it won't... clinically it has been shown not to work well in studies.. but of course that doesn't mean many people don't have success doing so.. it just is not "required" to lose bodyfat which is how this whole debate started...

And this is what I disagree with. I think in general, reduced energy intake will cause people to lose fat.  Yes, certain people with deranged metabolisms will still fail to lose fat, but I think they are the exception.

from all the research i have read it has been shown reduced intake will cause people to lose fat initially but over long term it hasn't been shown to stick for many people(especially people considered obese) even if they continued the lower calorie intake they would hit a point where they would not lose anymore weight no matter how low they dropped their calories and generally this is on an average higher carb diet low in fat as most doctors these days tell their patients to do.. only diet plan i have read that has sustained weight loss for continuous periods of time is a lower carb, higher fat diet without a drastic reduction in overall calories..

Again, you are talking about metabolically deranged individuals.  I agree that constantly dieting can damage your metabolism, but the average American overeats and has a bodyweight that reflects that.  If they reduce their energy intake, their weight will reduce.Also, I did not mention low fat diets.  I am just talking about eating less.  And people stall on low carb diets all the time.  Just ask some of the people that struggle on Carb Nite.