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October 2, 2013 at 5:58 pm #204526
MikkeltaylorGuestDidn't train today, but did start my backload this evening with 50g whey & 5g leucine. Will have the same 2moro PWO.Some interest g reading though guys
October 3, 2013 at 1:12 am #204527
TCBParticipantTCB the use of Leucine doesn't keep the mTOR pathway "open" any longer, it WILL raise insulin levels longer. And your not going to "piss away" any of the Leucine. Thats like saying when you eat 6oz of chicken you only get 2-3oz of it. Which isnt true. Your body will utilize 100% of that Leucine. Furthermore it will use 100% of the amino acids its given, unless your already at a postive nitrogen balance, which you will not be esp in AM training. The excess Leucine will cause prolonged, high insulin level. 5g is the MAX recommendation for morning training because of this. Thats just fact. Beelly- if you trade off the Leucine for the Carbs, your going to be sacrifising optimal fat burning situtation. The carbs in the AM may tell your body to continue to burn them throughout the day. Refer to the meal timing chart for AM lifting for a detailed example. I recommend just Leucine, and MCT's with the first meal after PWO to let your body know that fat is what it wants throughout the day. If your not at all worried about gaining some fat, you can do carbs, its just not optimal.
Where?And by piss away, I didn't mean literally pee it out. That's why I said pissing away MONEY. You're just wasting it by going over the MED (Minimum Effective Dose). No point to it. But, really, until I see research showing the physiological negatives of going over 5g, I'm not convinced. Especially considering the references in the book show no real negatives until several hundred grams.Even that said, though, it doesn't really matter cuz we're in agreement about how much to take, ha.
October 3, 2013 at 1:17 am #204528
CBachelor17MemberIll get the link by to the video by Keifer. Give me a few to find er.
October 3, 2013 at 1:30 am #204529
CBachelor17Memberhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn_tFB8C0LY Please watch the Video IN FULL... the part that pertains to this conversation is in the last 20 seconds or so. But he thoroughly explains Leucine Supplementation on CN and CBL in this Video.
October 3, 2013 at 1:59 am #204530
TCBParticipanthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn_tFB8C0LY Please watch the Video IN FULL... the part that pertains to this conversation is in the last 20 seconds or so. But he thoroughly explains Leucine Supplementation on CN and CBL in this Video.
Ha. I've watched this one a couple times. And I always get a kick out of when he says something like "things that aren't normally considered functional foods, like meat..."But anywho, regarding the last bit, I think it's completely context. I can see your side of it with this, but it could also be taken as him just reiterating that you only want to use it PWO, and the recommended dose is 5g. I don't get a "don't go over 5g because bad things will happen" feel out of that at all. But I like I said, it's completely contextual and I see where you're coming from on it.
October 3, 2013 at 2:50 am #204531
CBachelor17MemberThe recommendation comes from the raised insulin levels. Im not speaking out of my ass.. I suggest doing some research on Leucine. My job is to know supplements, and my major is to know the body. An acute dose of leucine is marked at 2-5g. Which will raise insulin levels and metabolic rate for 45 minutes. The more you take in, the greater the response… That again is just fact…
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