10 day start induction questions

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    Ken Karnack
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    So I have been following a pretty low Carb diet for weeks and did many keto diets before.  My question is do you have to do a 10 day no carbs to get started?  The reason I ask this is because, strict no carbs kills me.  Plus I have been doing am meat and nuts breakfast or eggs and nuts then a shake before a workout and feel really good.  Also my blod sugars have been dropping after meals lately down to the 55-75 BG range.  And I feel like crab and nonfunctional.  My body understands keto.  Can I just start the nite load lightly not a full blown feast before bed?

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    Richard Schmitt
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    To become fat adapted, and to make this fully work a ten day phase is recommended. Eating enough fats is key to feeling satiated and content. Along with protein. Why a shake before a workout? Should do a PWO shake only.

    #210381

    Spatz
    Moderator

    Question 1: Not strict no-carb, just strict “under 30grams carb per day.” Keeping it as low carb as possible, but you have the 30gram limit. No worries.Question 2: You don't have to do a full blown feast before bed. Listen to your body and when it tells you to stop eating; Stop. Try and get 3-5 nice big insulin spikes in your time window, but don't over-eat. Listen to your belly.And like BigTex said, eat more fat!

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    Ken Karnack
    Participant

    Well I meant to say a pre WO drink. Humapro,bcaa drink.  How many spikes and in what time frame? 

    #210383

    davecat7272
    Member

    Question about cn guys, what's the reasoning for having a ton of fat with carbs on the last meal of cns? I mean I own the cbl book but honestly I don't think cbl is for me since my goal is staying sub 8% bf which I've done successfully with skiploading and lyle McDonald's ud2 diet book, now the reason for my question (since I don't own cns book), is , isn't a carb load supposed to be as low fat as possible for the entire duration to minimize fat gain due to high insulin levels? For what I understand on cns the first half of it is minimum fat but then the second half or at least the last meal is usually pretty dirty, I would really appreciate if you guys can explain the reasoning for this, as I've being no carb for 21 days now and looking to start cns to try something new, tyvmSent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

    #210384

    Spatz
    Moderator

    CBL has a 60 day money back guarantee, if it hasn't been 60 days yet I would suggest you send in a support ticket and get your money back. Then go purchase the Carb Nite Solutions book. It will answer just about all your questions.The fat in the last meal is to prevent the possibility of rebound hypoglycemia.

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    Brandon D Christ
    Participant

    Question about cn guys, what's the reasoning for having a ton of fat with carbs on the last meal of cns? I mean I own the cbl book but honestly I don't think cbl is for me since my goal is staying sub 8% bf which I've done successfully with skiploading and lyle McDonald's ud2 diet book, now the reason for my question (since I don't own cns book), is , isn't a carb load supposed to be as low fat as possible for the entire duration to minimize fat gain due to high insulin levels? For what I understand on cns the first half of it is minimum fat but then the second half or at least the last meal is usually pretty dirty, I would really appreciate if you guys can explain the reasoning for this, as I've being no carb for 21 days now and looking to start cns to try something new, tyvmSent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

    You don't have to have fat with the carbs if you don't want to.  It is recommended to keep the CN low fat until the end.  Reason being, having it in the end is fine because it takes fatty acids 2-3 hours before they are available for storage.  IF you are eating high glycemic carbs like you should, your insulin levels should return to normal before the fatty acids are available for storage.

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    davecat7272
    Member

    Great answer right there! I understand that keeping it low to no fat at first is the way to go but didn't understand the fat inclusion in the last meal, now I know I can have pretty much whatever I want in the last meal not having to worry about fat content but making sure all my meals before are as close to 0 fat as possible to make the most out of the cns strategy for getting back to 6 or 7% bf, tyvm guysSent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

    #210387

    Tracy Jarchow
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    You don't have to have fat with the carbs if you don't want to.  It is recommended to keep the CN low fat until the end.  Reason being, having it in the end is fine because it takes fatty acids 2-3 hours before they are available for storage.  IF you are eating high glycemic carbs like you should, your insulin levels should return to normal before the fatty acids are available for storage.

    I understood the main reason to eat fats with your last carbs in the evening before bed was to help a person from going hypoglycemic during the night. Fats will be metabolized over several hours giving the body available fuel after the last insulin spike has faded or in some folks crashed causing a potential bout of hypoglycemia. Have I misunderstood?

    #210388

    Brandon D Christ
    Participant

    You don't have to have fat with the carbs if you don't want to.  It is recommended to keep the CN low fat until the end.  Reason being, having it in the end is fine because it takes fatty acids 2-3 hours before they are available for storage.  IF you are eating high glycemic carbs like you should, your insulin levels should return to normal before the fatty acids are available for storage.

    I understood the main reason to eat fats with your last carbs in the evening before bed was to help a person from going hypoglycemic during the night. Fats will be metabolized over several hours giving the body available fuel after the last insulin spike has faded or in some folks crashed causing a potential bout of hypoglycemia. Have I misunderstood?

    What you say is true, but the reason Kiefer recommended "fat backloading" was for the reasons I mentioned.

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