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A lot of people do mon/tues then thu/fri. Problem is i have training on mon nights so was thinking of doing tues,wed, thu, sunday.Then i got thinking that this might not be ideal - that you might want to keep the body from getting too used to carbs 3 days in a row. Would that be correct thinking, or does it not matter? Id have two ULC days in a row (fri + sat). Or i could move thurs night to friday if it would be ideal. What do you think?I want optimal fat loss coupled with muscle gain.
How does your split look? I mean it can be ok but it all depends on what you're doing training. You don't have to load up on a ton of carbs each night. That's the misconception EVERYONE has when they first start CBL. The point of carbs to help with recovery, muscle growth, and the help the next training day. Based on how you feel, determines the amount of food needed. Having 300g+ each night will mostly likely lead to unwanted fat gain. YOU have to make that call and judgement. I/we can tell you what to try but I/we do not know your body like you would. Days I would really load up on would be Squats and Deadlifts, some what on Bench, and not so much on Shoulder Press.
Days I would really load up on would be Squats and Deadlifts, some what on Bench, and not so much on Shoulder Press.
This makes total sense, since squats and deads are more taxing then the other lifts you mentioned and recruit the most muscle groups. However...what if physique development is more your goal. Im going to be starting the 5/3/1 body building template this week, as I desperately need to work on my strength. But my main goal is to build more muscle, especially in my upper body.So would it make sense to but my bigger backloads on the days I train shoulders or back, and a smaller one on the day I train chest? Legs could me moderate...
Oh yeah you'll have to work with the backloads to meet your needs. Personally my goal is to fix my physique in the long run but strength is needed right now
How does your split look? I mean it can be ok but it all depends on what you're doing training. You don't have to load up on a ton of carbs each night. That's the misconception EVERYONE has when they first start CBL. The point of carbs to help with recovery, muscle growth, and the help the next training day. Based on how you feel, determines the amount of food needed. Having 300g+ each night will mostly likely lead to unwanted fat gain. YOU have to make that call and judgement. I/we can tell you what to try but I/we do not know your body like you would. Days I would really load up on would be Squats and Deadlifts, some what on Bench, and not so much on Shoulder Press.
++1 Great advice from big tex here! I similar to you train monday, tuesday, thurs, friday, saturday. At first I was backloading 450-500g everyday I trained but I found that the day after a ULC day (monday, thursday) I could backload like 400+ grams and wake up feeling good (not bloated) and then the days following that first training day taper them off saturday being pretty small about 200g tuesday and friday being about 300. The last week i stayed much tighter doing it this way and energy was still great in the gym and throughout the day! Hope that helps, -Mike
“You don't have to load up on a ton of carbs each night. That's the misconception EVERYONE has when they first start CBL”I'm guilty as charged! Thanks Tex for the clarification. I am doing a DB and figured, I'd load up every single night. At first, it was great. Now noticing some fat gains. Probably due to exactly what you said above.
"You don't have to load up on a ton of carbs each night. That's the misconception EVERYONE has when they first start CBL"I'm guilty as charged! Thanks Tex for the clarification. I am doing a DB and figured, I'd load up every single night. At first, it was great. Now noticing some fat gains. Probably due to exactly what you said above.
In the same boat, how much were you doing everynight? and have you found a sweet spot now? (waking up glycogen full but not fat lol)
Ok with Density Bulking strength and muscle gain WILL happen, along with FAT GAIN. Because y'all are loading up on carbs. Strength Accumulation allows that person to build muscle and strength but lose or limit body fat.
Ok with Density Bulking strength and muscle gain WILL happen, along with FAT GAIN. Because y'all are loading up on carbs. Strength Accumulation allows that person to build muscle and strength but lose or limit body fat.
Yeah agrees but i think there is a point where strength stops bein affected and the extra carbs are just going to fat stores i think the point of reasonable fat gain but awesome strength and muscle gain is the point we are looking for
Ok with Density Bulking strength and muscle gain WILL happen, along with FAT GAIN. Because y'all are loading up on carbs. Strength Accumulation allows that person to build muscle and strength but lose or limit body fat.
Yeah agrees but i think there is a point where strength stops bein affected and the extra carbs are just going to fat stores i think the point of reasonable fat gain but awesome strength and muscle gain is the point we are looking for
Take my advice with a grain of salt as I am yet to implement these measures, but I would probably focus more on the ULC meals instead of just continuing to add to the carbs PWO. I mean if you think about it, a modest gain in muscle mass is only going to require a small amount of extra carbs to fully restore glycogen. So increasing the feeding window (i.e not fasting as long in the morning) and adding more fat and protein to the ULC meals should produce more muscle without as much fat gained.
Ok with Density Bulking strength and muscle gain WILL happen, along with FAT GAIN. Because y'all are loading up on carbs. Strength Accumulation allows that person to build muscle and strength but lose or limit body fat.
Yeah agrees but i think there is a point where strength stops bein affected and the extra carbs are just going to fat stores i think the point of reasonable fat gain but awesome strength and muscle gain is the point we are looking for
Take my advice with a grain of salt as I am yet to implement these measures, but I would probably focus more on the ULC meals instead of just continuing to add to the carbs PWO. I mean if you think about it, a modest gain in muscle mass is only going to require a small amount of extra carbs to fully restore glycogen. So increasing the feeding window (i.e not fasting as long in the morning) and adding more fat and protein to the ULC meals should produce more muscle without as much fat gained.
Yes definately seems like keeping you ulc meals very solid and big and adjusting the carb amount in the bacload based on how much unwanted fat you are gaining
If you don't deplete yourself accordingly yeah those extra carbs are going to go to fat cells and get you fat. You train/lift hard enough those carbs you may of have the night prior will be used up to your benefit. If you go about doing DB you might want a damn good training routine if you don't want to gain fat
Yeah agreed big tex and training for me is definitely in check but at a lean mass of 163 i definitely do not need 400-500 grams of carbs 5 days a week haha i recover just fine at 300-350
I was just thinking last night how carb cycling and calorie cycling are integral parts to all good programs. Based on this ive figured that ill do 2 days in a row just to make the program remains more 'cyclic'. Cant hurt to cycle more, i feel as if the results could be slightly better by keeping your body guessing.Will backload:TuesWedFriSunday
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