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February 6, 2013 at 8:23 pm #6590
Chief KiefMemberI am two days away from my sixth Carb Nite and still have not lost any weight. Thankfully I have also not gained any weight but the scale just won't display anything but 219 pounds. I am 6'3″ and 20 years old. Recently I used the fat is the devil, low GI carbs, lots of protein diet to get down to 194. I still had some weight to lose and feel like 180 would get me a six pack and make me happy, for now.As for the Diet - ULC Days:First Feeding - Wake up and have a cup of coffee with 1 tbsp of fiber, 1 tbsp of coconut oil and 1 tbsp of unsweetened cocoa (like has been used in recipes given from Kiefer on the site).Second Feeding - Two hours later I have 4 whole eggs scrambled in butter and some form of sausage. I was eating 3 turkey sausages but switched because I saw that they had maltodextrin. Now I eat Bob Evans sausage (about 30 grams of fat and 15 of protein) that does not have maltodextrin.Third Feeding - About 4 hours later I will have a bacon wrap consisting of bacon, spinach and mayonnaise. I used to use turkey bacon because I preferred the taste but switched to normal bacon, again to avoid the maltodextrin. I will have 3/4 of a pound of bacon(before cooking) which amounts to 24 grams of fat and 36 grams of protein. For the shell I use Low-Carb shells from a local grocery chain that have 4 net Carbs. The spinach is normal spinach and I have about a cup of it. The mayonnaise is from traitor Joe's and I use about 1 spoon-full of that (12gram fat, 0 protein and carbs).Fourth Feeding - About 3 hours later I eat 2 steaks and some broccoli cooked in butter. In total the stakes are 38 grams of protein and 38 grams of fat. I have about 1.5 cups of broccoli which is 3 carbs.Fifth Feeding - About 3 hours later again, right before I go to bed, I have 90/10 ground beef and maybe some more spinach. About 1.5 to 2 cups of ground beef and 1 cup of spinachSnacks - I snack on macadamia nuts and pork rinds throughout the day. I usually have about 3 servings of macadamia nuts a day and 3 servings of pork rings a day. But I switch off which one I consume a day so it is 3 of macadamia or 3 of pork rinds, not both. I used to snack on jello, 1 small box of sugar-free jello a day, but stopped that because it has maltodextrin.Post-Workout - Post-Workout I have 40 grams of dynamize elite whey isolate with 1 tbsp of coconut oil and 1 scoop of xtend.Carb Nite Days:On Carb Nites my first two feedings are the same as on normal days, the loaded coffee and then eggs and sausage. Of the 5 Carb Nites to date I would say I did one perfectly, the most recent one, did 3 pretty well and messed up one.The one I think I nailed was last friday. I conclude my back workout at 3 p.m. went home had a protein shake with 50 grams of dynamize elite whey and 1 scoop of leucine. At the same time I had 3 soft white taco shells and about a chicken breast's worth of chicken I slow cook in salsa. I snacked on and finished two more shells over the next 20 minutes. The shells have 23 grams of carbs each, 4.5 grams of fat and 4 grams of protein. About three hours later I had 5 small red potatoes cut up and fried in cooking spray to make little potato chips. I dipped those in ketchup and had more of the salsa chicken mentioned earlier. 3 hours later I had 12 cookies and a glass of skim milk. In total it was a 7 hours carb nite with around 300 grams of carbs. With each meal I also had 1 scoops of xtend for the leucine.The Carb Nite I messed up was the one before this last one and I say I messed it up because it only lasted 3 hours. I started it too late and fell asleep long before I wanted.The three before that I think went well were about 6 hours each and consisted of fruity pebbles and skim milk, salsa chicken and white soft taco shells, and trail mix. Training - For the first four weeks of the diet I trained using the Westside Barbell Method using information gathered from the internet, especially from Mark Bell's videos.The past two weeks I have been using the shockwave 1.4 protocol.I always train right before my Carb Nite.My training either happens around 1p.m or 5 p.m. depending on my schedule that day (on ULC days).For 3 weeks I did H.I.I.T. with 6 cycles of 3 minutes slow 30 seconds fast the two days following my Carb Nite. I stopped because I do not enjoy it and it does not seem to be helping, also because Kiefer says to cycle it 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.Other - I walk about 3 miles a day to and from class.I don't ever feel horrible thus I think I am not ever ketogenic.I can't really think of anything else.I am posting on this forum because I really want help. I just want to lose weight and am willing to be totally honest so I can get the help needed to lose the weight. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
February 6, 2013 at 8:27 pm #142206
blkx3MemberI can tell you this… I have been on CNS for over 2 months now. My weight has not moved AT ALL. Infact, sometimes it goes UP and I'm not WTF. However, just today I tried on a pair of jeans (these were my goal jeans) that I couldn't even get up past my thighs or butt and they FIT. They could go up and button. I have not had the scale move. I'm still 140, what I started yet I'm SMALLED, TIGHTER and more muscular. I don't get it either but now I see something is indeed working. Keep working hard and things will happen. How do you clothes fit?
February 6, 2013 at 8:36 pm #142207
Big_RParticipantI can tell you this... I have been on CNS for over 2 months now. My weight has not moved AT ALL. Infact, sometimes it goes UP and I'm not WTF. However, just today I tried on a pair of jeans (these were my goal jeans) that I couldn't even get up past my thighs or butt and they FIT. They could go up and button. I have not had the scale move. I'm still 140, what I started yet I'm SMALLED, TIGHTER and more muscular. I don't get it either but now I see something is indeed working. Keep working hard and things will happen. How do you clothes fit?
I was about to say the same thing.... pounds = not always accurate ... inches can be a better indicator of progress. I would be looking more for recomposition
February 6, 2013 at 8:47 pm #142208
Brandon D ChristParticipantIt sounds like you may just be eating a bit too much. Do you have total numbers for the day? You say you snack on macademia nuts and pork rinds, which sounds like you aren't even keeping track. While there isn't anything wrong with your food choices, I think you need to snack less often and just stick to like three or four meals a day. You'd probably be better off eating meat and ULC vegetables for each meal and less processed stuff.
February 6, 2013 at 8:57 pm #142209
FairyGuestI can tell you this... I have been on CNS for over 2 months now. My weight has not moved AT ALL. Infact, sometimes it goes UP and I'm not WTF. However, just today I tried on a pair of jeans (these were my goal jeans) that I couldn't even get up past my thighs or butt and they FIT. They could go up and button. I have not had the scale move. I'm still 140, what I started yet I'm SMALLED, TIGHTER and more muscular. I don't get it either but now I see something is indeed working. Keep working hard and things will happen. How do you clothes fit?
Great to hear. I have had a similar experience!!
February 6, 2013 at 9:04 pm #142210
Brandon D ChristParticipantI can tell you this... I have been on CNS for over 2 months now. My weight has not moved AT ALL. Infact, sometimes it goes UP and I'm not WTF. However, just today I tried on a pair of jeans (these were my goal jeans) that I couldn't even get up past my thighs or butt and they FIT. They could go up and button. I have not had the scale move. I'm still 140, what I started yet I'm SMALLED, TIGHTER and more muscular. I don't get it either but now I see something is indeed working. Keep working hard and things will happen. How do you clothes fit?
Great to hear. I have had a similar experience!!
The thing is with this, I think this is very common in females due to hormonal differences. I do not think men are likely to recomp by simply changing diet.
February 6, 2013 at 10:00 pm #142211
joe boulwareGuestAs a lowcarber from way back I would not eat the low carb shell / wrap or any BS LC fake food like that you can not trust the labels or the stuff in it .
February 6, 2013 at 10:47 pm #142212
John LaPlaca JrMemberI am two days away from my sixth Carb Nite and still have not lost any weight. Thankfully I have also not gained any weight but the scale just won't display anything but 219 pounds. I am 6'3" and 20 years old. Recently I used the fat is the devil, low GI carbs, lots of protein diet to get down to 194. I still had some weight to lose and feel like 180 would get me a six pack and make me happy, for now.As for the Diet - ULC Days:First Feeding - Wake up and have a cup of coffee with 1 tbsp of fiber, 1 tbsp of coconut oil and 1 tbsp of unsweetened cocoa (like has been used in recipes given from Kiefer on the site).Second Feeding - Two hours later I have 4 whole eggs scrambled in butter and some form of sausage. I was eating 3 turkey sausages but switched because I saw that they had maltodextrin. Now I eat Bob Evans sausage (about 30 grams of fat and 15 of protein) that does not have maltodextrin.Third Feeding - About 4 hours later I will have a bacon wrap consisting of bacon, spinach and mayonnaise. I used to use turkey bacon because I preferred the taste but switched to normal bacon, again to avoid the maltodextrin. I will have 3/4 of a pound of bacon(before cooking) which amounts to 24 grams of fat and 36 grams of protein. For the shell I use Low-Carb shells from a local grocery chain that have 4 net Carbs. The spinach is normal spinach and I have about a cup of it. The mayonnaise is from traitor Joe's and I use about 1 spoon-full of that (12gram fat, 0 protein and carbs).Fourth Feeding - About 3 hours later I eat 2 steaks and some broccoli cooked in butter. In total the stakes are 38 grams of protein and 38 grams of fat. I have about 1.5 cups of broccoli which is 3 carbs.Fifth Feeding - About 3 hours later again, right before I go to bed, I have 90/10 ground beef and maybe some more spinach. About 1.5 to 2 cups of ground beef and 1 cup of spinachSnacks - I snack on macadamia nuts and pork rinds throughout the day. I usually have about 3 servings of macadamia nuts a day and 3 servings of pork rings a day. But I switch off which one I consume a day so it is 3 of macadamia or 3 of pork rinds, not both. I used to snack on jello, 1 small box of sugar-free jello a day, but stopped that because it has maltodextrin.Post-Workout - Post-Workout I have 40 grams of dynamize elite whey isolate with 1 tbsp of coconut oil and 1 scoop of xtend.Carb Nite Days:On Carb Nites my first two feedings are the same as on normal days, the loaded coffee and then eggs and sausage. Of the 5 Carb Nites to date I would say I did one perfectly, the most recent one, did 3 pretty well and messed up one.The one I think I nailed was last friday. I conclude my back workout at 3 p.m. went home had a protein shake with 50 grams of dynamize elite whey and 1 scoop of leucine. At the same time I had 3 soft white taco shells and about a chicken breast's worth of chicken I slow cook in salsa. I snacked on and finished two more shells over the next 20 minutes. The shells have 23 grams of carbs each, 4.5 grams of fat and 4 grams of protein. About three hours later I had 5 small red potatoes cut up and fried in cooking spray to make little potato chips. I dipped those in ketchup and had more of the salsa chicken mentioned earlier. 3 hours later I had 12 cookies and a glass of skim milk. In total it was a 7 hours carb nite with around 300 grams of carbs. With each meal I also had 1 scoops of xtend for the leucine.The Carb Nite I messed up was the one before this last one and I say I messed it up because it only lasted 3 hours. I started it too late and fell asleep long before I wanted.The three before that I think went well were about 6 hours each and consisted of fruity pebbles and skim milk, salsa chicken and white soft taco shells, and trail mix. Training - For the first four weeks of the diet I trained using the Westside Barbell Method using information gathered from the internet, especially from Mark Bell's videos.The past two weeks I have been using the shockwave 1.4 protocol.I always train right before my Carb Nite.My training either happens around 1p.m or 5 p.m. depending on my schedule that day (on ULC days).For 3 weeks I did H.I.I.T. with 6 cycles of 3 minutes slow 30 seconds fast the two days following my Carb Nite. I stopped because I do not enjoy it and it does not seem to be helping, also because Kiefer says to cycle it 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.Other - I walk about 3 miles a day to and from class.I don't ever feel horrible thus I think I am not ever ketogenic.I can't really think of anything else.I am posting on this forum because I really want help. I just want to lose weight and am willing to be totally honest so I can get the help needed to lose the weight. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
I would aim for anywhere from 0.5 to 1.0 of fat and 0.8-1.3 of protein for your ideal body weight. Nut's are not the best choice for this diet. I know in the book he has them but a lot has changed since the book came out and it needs to be updated. Are you eating to often because of once being a part of the fat is evil type of dieting prior to CN? I used to be the same way as well. It seemed to foreign to me to eat only when I was getting hungry and not every 2 1/2-3 hrs like I used to when I followed a "balanced diet" You have to pretty much reset your mind with any prior nutrition knowledge. I would consider ditching the fiber and unsweetened cocoa in the morning with your coffee as well. I would also ditch the low carb wrap. I feel a lot of the recipes in the books are better for people when they have already reached their goals and they don't have to be as strict. Also keep in mind even though it says 30 carbs a day you want to stay as close to zero as possible.http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3123/23 servings of macadamia nuts is giving you a total of 21 carbs(7 per serving) during the day. You are probably sneaking in more than 9 from other sources. Are you drinking diet soda or crystal light? low carb energy drinks? How is your sleeping pattern?Do you have a lot of stress? Do you handle it well?Maybe switch from sausage to bacon? Sausage tends to be more processed. It might be a good idea to go to the basics for a week or so.... red meat, eggs, cheese, butter, coconut oil, green veggies.
February 6, 2013 at 10:58 pm #142213
FairyGuestI can tell you this... I have been on CNS for over 2 months now. My weight has not moved AT ALL. Infact, sometimes it goes UP and I'm not WTF. However, just today I tried on a pair of jeans (these were my goal jeans) that I couldn't even get up past my thighs or butt and they FIT. They could go up and button. I have not had the scale move. I'm still 140, what I started yet I'm SMALLED, TIGHTER and more muscular. I don't get it either but now I see something is indeed working. Keep working hard and things will happen. How do you clothes fit?
Great to hear. I have had a similar experience!!
The thing is with this, I think this is very common in females due to hormonal differences. I do not think men are likely to recomp by simply changing diet.
It's so interesting. I wish I could understand what's really going on. I swear I have practically accidentally put on muscle while doing CNS and not even training very much (my training is much more serious now than it was a few months ago).
February 6, 2013 at 11:04 pm #142214
Chief KiefMemberIt sounds like you may just be eating a bit too much. Do you have total numbers for the day? You say you snack on macademia nuts and pork rinds, which sounds like you aren't even keeping track. While there isn't anything wrong with your food choices, I think you need to snack less often and just stick to like three or four meals a day. You'd probably be better off eating meat and ULC vegetables for each meal and less processed stuff.
Could you clarify what you mean by eat less processed stuff? It seems like the consensus is to ditch the Low-Carb shells. Would you advice I get ride of the Pork Rinds as well? Would you extend the processed stuff into my Carb Nites meals as well with the ketchup, high carb shells and cookies? Or can I leave the Carb Nite food alone?
February 6, 2013 at 11:12 pm #142215
FairyGuestBasically, it seems more important to eat real food during ULC — processed food during CN is forgivable because it has it's own advantages
February 6, 2013 at 11:16 pm #142216
John LaPlaca JrMemberIt sounds like you may just be eating a bit too much. Do you have total numbers for the day? You say you snack on macademia nuts and pork rinds, which sounds like you aren't even keeping track. While there isn't anything wrong with your food choices, I think you need to snack less often and just stick to like three or four meals a day. You'd probably be better off eating meat and ULC vegetables for each meal and less processed stuff.
Could you clarify what you mean by eat less processed stuff? It seems like the consensus is to ditch the Low-Carb shells. Would you advice I get ride of the Pork Rinds as well? Would you extend the processed stuff into my Carb Nites meals as well with the ketchup, high carb shells and cookies? Or can I leave the Carb Nite food alone?
If you are going to eat pork rinds eat plain ones. The flavored one's normally have a long list of ingredients. The brand I eat when I have them has only 2 ingredients. Pork skins and salt.
February 6, 2013 at 11:19 pm #142217
John LaPlaca JrMemberHere's a link to a better Leucine product that doesn't have any artificial ingredients http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/all/leucine.html
February 6, 2013 at 11:29 pm #142218
Chief KiefMemberHere's a link to a better Leucine product that doesn't have any artificial ingredients http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/all/leucine.html
Thanks, I'll consider it. I was just going to get some leucine from truenutrition.com because I thought that was the only option but shipping seems pretty pricey.
February 7, 2013 at 12:00 am #142219
Brandon D ChristParticipantI can tell you this... I have been on CNS for over 2 months now. My weight has not moved AT ALL. Infact, sometimes it goes UP and I'm not WTF. However, just today I tried on a pair of jeans (these were my goal jeans) that I couldn't even get up past my thighs or butt and they FIT. They could go up and button. I have not had the scale move. I'm still 140, what I started yet I'm SMALLED, TIGHTER and more muscular. I don't get it either but now I see something is indeed working. Keep working hard and things will happen. How do you clothes fit?
Great to hear. I have had a similar experience!!
The thing is with this, I think this is very common in females due to hormonal differences. I do not think men are likely to recomp by simply changing diet.
It's so interesting. I wish I could understand what's really going on. I swear I have practically accidentally put on muscle while doing CNS and not even training very much (my training is much more serious now than it was a few months ago).
I have a hunch that it has to do with testosterone and estrogen, unless a male is very overweight his test levels are going to be high enough that even with a previously crappy diet he is going to have whatever muscle mass he would have had anyways. For women I think that the diet has a much higher effect on muscle mass, plus women (pre-CN) typically have less muscle building friendly diets and tend to do more cardio. At least in my experience.
Basically, it seems more important to eat real food during ULC -- processed food during CN is forgivable because it has it's own advantages
And the simple fact that you are ULC for 95.2% of the time you are on the diet. What you do when you are ULC is much more important than what you do on Carb Nite.
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