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February 14, 2014 at 4:16 pm #214054
GnomerParticipantWhat would u consider too much water?
I can't really say what is too much water, but I never understood the "drink a massive amount of water for optimal health either". People have died from drinking too much water.If I had to guess, I would just say drink to satisfy thirst.
what if you are almost never thirsty? not to mention some supplements ie creatine you should probably be drinking a bit more water.. i know for myself unless I physically carry around a water bottle i probably would drink only 32oz a day because I just hardly ever feel thirsty
February 14, 2014 at 6:38 pm #214055
Brandon D ChristParticipantWhat would u consider too much water?
I can't really say what is too much water, but I never understood the "drink a massive amount of water for optimal health either". People have died from drinking too much water.If I had to guess, I would just say drink to satisfy thirst.
what if you are almost never thirsty? not to mention some supplements ie creatine you should probably be drinking a bit more water.. i know for myself unless I physically carry around a water bottle i probably would drink only 32oz a day because I just hardly ever feel thirsty
Obviously there's exceptions to everything. Also I personally think any type of beverage counts as long as it isn't alcoholic.
February 14, 2014 at 8:12 pm #214056
GnomerParticipantWhat would u consider too much water?
I can't really say what is too much water, but I never understood the "drink a massive amount of water for optimal health either". People have died from drinking too much water.If I had to guess, I would just say drink to satisfy thirst.
what if you are almost never thirsty? not to mention some supplements ie creatine you should probably be drinking a bit more water.. i know for myself unless I physically carry around a water bottle i probably would drink only 32oz a day because I just hardly ever feel thirsty
Obviously there's exceptions to everything. Also I personally think any type of beverage counts as long as it isn't alcoholic.
yea i agree i count my almond milk that goes in my shakes.. i just really am hardly ever thirsty though.. no clue why.. generally just during a workout and first thing in the morning that's about it. If i don't have a large glass or bottle in front of me i pretty much will drink nothing all day heh
February 14, 2014 at 8:28 pm #214057
Tim D GeislerParticipantWhat would u consider too much water?
once your urine is almost clear, that is an optimal amount of water intake. weather and exercise play into how much that really is. I can tell you at 140+ degrees you need more than the prescribed 2 gallons that is supposed to be the maximum per day. The urine test is easiest.
February 14, 2014 at 8:30 pm #214058
Tim D GeislerParticipantWhat would u consider too much water?
I can't really say what is too much water, but I never understood the "drink a massive amount of water for optimal health either". People have died from drinking too much water.If I had to guess, I would just say drink to satisfy thirst.
what if you are almost never thirsty? not to mention some supplements ie creatine you should probably be drinking a bit more water.. i know for myself unless I physically carry around a water bottle i probably would drink only 32oz a day because I just hardly ever feel thirsty
Most human's get hungry when their body is dehydrated, not thirsty. take that for what it's worth, one reason people tend to overeat.
February 14, 2014 at 8:32 pm #214059
Gl;itch.eMemberI think the body is a bit smarter than that Sano. It's quite possible to satisfy the bodies need for water through foods. I really doubt you could die of dehydration because you “forgot to drink some water”, your thirst would certainly kick in well before that. Either that or a preference/craving for high water content foods would come up sooner or later. Outside of beverages like coffee, workout drinks and shakes I don't really drink any naked (unsalted, demineralized) water anymore. I add salt to all these other drinks as well. I will sometimes drink a little water from a fountain at the gym towards the end of training if I have exhausted my workout drink though. There the natural urge to drink water seems strongest. You'd think given current dogma that I would have died of dehydration during this summer, but its almost over and I've survived with nothing negative to report and lots more uninterrupted sleep, less bathroom breaks and better skin.
February 14, 2014 at 8:39 pm #214060
Gl;itch.eMemberWhat would u consider too much water?
once your urine is almost clear, that is an optimal amount of water intake. weather and exercise play into how much that really is. I can tell you at 140+ degrees you need more than the prescribed 2 gallons that is supposed to be the maximum per day. The urine test is easiest.
This is BS war. The clearness of your urine is only showing you that you are diluting whatever you are excreting and nothing more. If you can drink a lot of water and only piss out a small amount relative to what when in, then you'd have the metabolism of a humming bird. If however you are drinking and pissing all day long then all that is doing for you is stripping the body of vitamins and minerals at a quicker rate. A healthy metabolic rate should evaporate roughly half of the water taken in. The more comes out relative to what goes in indicates a slower metabolic rate. And at this point drinking excess water is a burden on the metabolism which lowers it even further still.
February 14, 2014 at 8:43 pm #214061
GnomerParticipantI think the body is a bit smarter than that Sano. It's quite possible to satisfy the bodies need for water through foods. I really doubt you could die of dehydration because you "forgot to drink some water", your thirst would certainly kick in well before that. Either that or a preference/craving for high water content foods would come up sooner or later. Outside of beverages like coffee, workout drinks and shakes I don't really drink any naked (unsalted, demineralized) water anymore. I add salt to all these other drinks as well. I will sometimes drink a little water from a fountain at the gym towards the end of training if I have exhausted my workout drink though. There the natural urge to drink water seems strongest. You'd think given current dogma that I would have died of dehydration during this summer, but its almost over and I've survived with nothing negative to report and lots more uninterrupted sleep, less bathroom breaks and better skin.
i'm not really worried about being dehydrated or anything like that.. just more so about keeping up the hydration to support muscle growth... have read books and studies showing it's very hard to build a decent amount of muscle without being well hydrated and since the body doesn't really want to build a bunch of extra muscle I doubt the thirst signals are going to kick in just because I'm short on water to help build new muscle... could be wrong but i'd say it's probably better to at least get a bit of extra water in there aside from just enough to get by.. i feel enough water to live a healthy life on and enough to support an athlete looking to build muscle is a bit differen't
February 14, 2014 at 9:02 pm #214062
Gl;itch.eMemberI think the body is a bit smarter than that Sano. It's quite possible to satisfy the bodies need for water through foods. I really doubt you could die of dehydration because you "forgot to drink some water", your thirst would certainly kick in well before that. Either that or a preference/craving for high water content foods would come up sooner or later. Outside of beverages like coffee, workout drinks and shakes I don't really drink any naked (unsalted, demineralized) water anymore. I add salt to all these other drinks as well. I will sometimes drink a little water from a fountain at the gym towards the end of training if I have exhausted my workout drink though. There the natural urge to drink water seems strongest. You'd think given current dogma that I would have died of dehydration during this summer, but its almost over and I've survived with nothing negative to report and lots more uninterrupted sleep, less bathroom breaks and better skin.
i'm not really worried about being dehydrated or anything like that.. just more so about keeping up the hydration to support muscle growth... have read books and studies showing it's very hard to build a decent amount of muscle without being well hydrated and since the body doesn't really want to build a bunch of extra muscle I doubt the thirst signals are going to kick in just because I'm short on water to help build new muscle... could be wrong but i'd say it's probably better to at least get a bit of extra water in there aside from just enough to get by..
I totally agree, but I think you've already discovered the times when that water is needed (after waking and during training by the sounds). Cell swelling is the mechanism here and its anabolic response is due to the stress of becoming hypotonic relative to the normal resting state of the cell. Being in this state constantly would be too much cellular stress to allow full recovery from IMO.
Swelling in hypo-osmolar conditions, i.e,, with an excess of water, is anabolic, leading to cellular proliferation, and inhibiting the breakdown of protein and glycogen.
Swelling and alkalinity cause the cell to begin the synthesis of DNA, in preparation for cell division.
This (IMO) is a hormetic stressor and shouldn't be turned on 24/7 but in short windows to force adaptation.
February 14, 2014 at 9:48 pm #214063
GnomerParticipanti'd be interested to see some studies on athletes that show effects of differences in water intakes and how it supports recovery and growth.. something like have one group drink 32oz a day one 64oz and one 128oz or something along those lines.. although obviously a lot would factor into it but would be interested to see
February 14, 2014 at 10:00 pm #214064
Tim D GeislerParticipantThis is BS war. The clearness of your urine is only showing you that you are diluting whatever you are excreting and nothing more. If you can drink a lot of water and only piss out a small amount relative to what when in, then you'd have the metabolism of a humming bird. If however you are drinking and pissing all day long then all that is doing for you is stripping the body of vitamins and minerals at a quicker rate. A healthy metabolic rate should evaporate roughly half of the water taken in. The more comes out relative to what goes in indicates a slower metabolic rate. And at this point drinking excess water is a burden on the metabolism which lowers it even further still.
I wish I had some kind of study... I know from my own experience, I perform my best when I am well hydrated.and that hydration takes 48 hours of consuming plenty of water, and you only piss a lot the first time you increase your water intake, after that your body normalizes.
February 14, 2014 at 11:55 pm #214065
Gl;itch.eMemberI wish I had some kind of study... I know from my own experience, I perform my best when I am well hydrated.and that hydration takes 48 hours of consuming plenty of water, and you only piss a lot the first time you increase your water intake, after that your body normalizes.
In my experience it doesn't. It simply pisses it all out. Adding salt, electrolytes and carbs can help hold on to more of it IF the body needs it. You simply shouldn't be this dehydrated that you need to do this regularly if at all.
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