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Alright – I get that it knocks you out of ketosis and should IDEALLY be limited to two drinks max on your carb nite, BUT…how terrible is it and how should I limit the damage if it's a one night kind of thing?I'm not a regular drinker, I'd say I'm a social drinker. But here is the dilemma, I'm going out this weekend with friends for a few drinks. It's the middle of my reorientation (will be day 8), I don't mind avoiding alcohol as I'm in reorientation, but in a few weeks, I'll be going to an opening season NFL game with coworkers and avoiding alcohol ENTIRELY that evening would be practically impossible. I stay within my macros on ULC days..is there a strategy for two drinks one evening? Am I overthinking this and should just not worry about it? What about a drink or two this weekend (day 8 of reorientation). Just curious...my wife enjoys drinking on the weekend, I'm just trying to find out if there is a method that's best drinking one night a week, occasionally!
Alright - I get that it knocks you out of ketosis and should IDEALLY be limited to two drinks max on your carb nite, BUT...how terrible is it and how should I limit the damage if it's a one night kind of thing?I'm not a regular drinker, I'd say I'm a social drinker. But here is the dilemma, I'm going out this weekend with friends for a few drinks. It's the middle of my reorientation (will be day 8), I don't mind avoiding alcohol as I'm in reorientation, but in a few weeks, I'll be going to an opening season NFL game with coworkers and avoiding alcohol ENTIRELY that evening would be practically impossible. I stay within my macros on ULC days..is there a strategy for two drinks one evening? Am I overthinking this and should just not worry about it? What about a drink or two this weekend (day 8 of reorientation). Just curious...my wife enjoys drinking on the weekend, I'm just trying to find out if there is a method that's best drinking one night a week, occasionally!
Kiefer said that his clients that get hammered on their Carb Nites appear to not have any issues, so most likely you will not have issues. However realize that it could be a problem.On ULC days, I think you are fine as long as you do it sparingly and stick with liquor.
Took the time to read an article here:http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.htmlHere are some highlights on the article by Martin Berkhan - seems pretty close to following a carb nite protocol:"Moderate alcohol consumption improves insulin sensitivity, lowers triglyceride concentrations and improves glycemic control. Not only in healthy folks, but also in type 2 diabetes. "May reduce testosterone but that's only for extremely large amounts and constantly for a long period of time. However, there is a study that shows that drinking liquor post work out is the most optimal time, since you don't see any reduction of testosterone (they basically use 70-80g of alcohol -- roughly 6-7 beers or whiskey shots ). But then again, he showed that extreme workouts and large amounts of alcohol (80g of alcohol) would impair muscle recovery.Consuming alcohol also stops fat oxidation as well as oxidation of carbs and proteins. However, this means you won't get fat from it.Stick to dry wines, spirits, liquor. Rule out beers (I personally drink mich ultras or bud select 55 -- its funny how people give me flack cause I actually do like the taste)Apply once a week on an evening before going to bed - helps with water retention since it has a diuretic effect.He even goes on to say that you'd have to consume .3g for each kg body weight. So if you're 100kg (220lb), you consume 30g. And 1.5g per kg body weight, consuming 150g. So that means he's suggesting a carb nite here.
Took the time to read an article here:http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.htmlHere are some highlights on the article by Martin Berkhan - seems pretty close to following a carb nite protocol:"Moderate alcohol consumption improves insulin sensitivity, lowers triglyceride concentrations and improves glycemic control. Not only in healthy folks, but also in type 2 diabetes. "May reduce testosterone but that's only for extremely large amounts and constantly for a long period of time. However, there is a study that shows that drinking liquor post work out is the most optimal time, since you don't see any reduction of testosterone (they basically use 70-80g of alcohol -- roughly 6-7 beers or whiskey shots ). But then again, he showed that extreme workouts and large amounts of alcohol (80g of alcohol) would impair muscle recovery.Consuming alcohol also stops fat oxidation as well as oxidation of carbs and proteins. However, this means you won't get fat from it.Stick to dry wines, spirits, liquor. Rule out beers (I personally drink mich ultras or bud select 55 -- its funny how people give me flack cause I actually do like the taste)Apply once a week on an evening before going to bed - helps with water retention since it has a diuretic effect.He even goes on to say that you'd have to consume .3g for each kg body weight. So if you're 100kg (220lb), you consume 30g. And 1.5g per kg body weight, consuming 150g. So that means he's suggesting a carb nite here.
I agree with everything except for the bolded. Alcohol blunts night time GH release so you are better off having it early in the evening. Really though, if you are drinking just don't worry about it.
So would having two drinks this Saturday (or two shots), day 8 of my reorientation, kill me or should I proceed as planned?What about if it was a few days after a carb nite (as in the case of the football game in a few weeks)?Should I completely avoid it during the reorientation or not sweat it?
So would having two drinks this Saturday (or two shots), day 8 of my reorientation, kill me or should I proceed as planned?What about if it was a few days after a carb nite (as in the case of the football game in a few weeks)?Should I completely avoid it during the reorientation or not sweat it?
You know, my sister is running Carb Nite and whenever she was doing the prep phase I told her she can drink. She isn't having any trouble losing weight, so I think it's fine. I'd recommend avoiding it, but if you indulge I don't think it would be an issue. I would just stick to liqour though.
I was thinking vodka and club soda w/ HIIT the next day
What's the point of the HIIT? If it is a day after Carb Nite I would do that, but any other time that wouldn't make any sense. Alcohol doesn't refill your glycogen stores.
The point of the HIIT would be to try to get the alcohol out of my system quicker...or so I thought!
Lol your liver does that, not HIIT. The alcohol will be gone by the next morning.
Keifer mentions that the body will use all its resources to burn off the alcohol until its gone. So after its gone, you will go right back to where you were.
So sounds like I can socially have a drink or two on occasion, and not sweat it. Reevaluate in the future if fat loss is stalled?
So sounds like I can socially have a drink or two on occasion, and not sweat it. Reevaluate in the future if fat loss is stalled?
Correct.There are are only two issues with alcohol when used sparingly:1. It can lower Testosterone, which really only matters if you are doing heavy drinking.2. It stops fat burning while it's in your system. I believe it takes about an hour per each drink to get alcohol out of your system.So as you can see it really isn't an issue as long as you aren't having drinks with carbs.
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