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Okay so yesterday I asked how many hours to backload.Now I have to ask, if those hours should follow training?I'm usually done around 5ish pm, have my pw-shake. My question is, since the book says that it's almost impossible to store carbs as fat for an hour or two post workout, should I down all my carbs within the two hour post-workout window?Or: train, shake. Dinner an hour or two later and then some more carbs?Thanks 🙂
Because of all the hype around this subject lately, I litterally re-read the book last night. (Yes front, to back). The window “by the book” of no fat loss in a Backload is only ONE HOUR. He suggests slamming carbs 1 Hour with Heavy Carbs. After the first meal, i think there is a large confusion on what is actually stated by Keifer, I know there was by me…. The second meal he mentions, he states, “depending on what time the CARB feeding frenzy begins, there MIGHT be some time for one more meal before bed…” But I invite everyone to read this section as I dont want to quote an entire section out of the book. Basically, he never mentions, and certainly DOES NOT suggest eating carbs. He suggests eating RAW MATERIALS that help the body build. (i.e. PROTEIN AND FAT!!!) He says not to work how fast absorbing these AMINOS are. He recommends intact sources like Meat, Fish, Cottage Cheese, Eggs, and Powders like Hydro Casein, etc. (Notice these are not carbs, he says this meal is to meet daily body needs to build.) Im so glad I re-read the book last night. Litterally changed the way Im going to use CBL. Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
Because of all the hype around this subject lately, I litterally re-read the book last night. (Yes front, to back). The window "by the book" of no fat loss in a Backload is only ONE HOUR. He suggests slamming carbs 1 Hour with Heavy Carbs. After the first meal, i think there is a large confusion on what is actually stated by Keifer, I know there was by me.... The second meal he mentions, he states, "depending on what time the CARB feeding frenzy begins, there MIGHT be some time for one more meal before bed..." But I invite everyone to read this section as I dont want to quote an entire section out of the book. Basically, he never mentions, and certainly DOES NOT suggest eating carbs. He suggests eating RAW MATERIALS that help the body build. (i.e. PROTEIN AND FAT!!!) He says not to work how fast absorbing these AMINOS are. He recommends intact sources like Meat, Fish, Cottage Cheese, Eggs, and Powders like Hydro Casein, etc. (Notice these are not carbs, he says this meal is to meet daily body needs to build.) Im so glad I re-read the book last night. Litterally changed the way Im going to use CBL. Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
What page to read that CBL cause I understood eat whatever 'junk' on a CBL day sorta like CNS ?I have the book too thanksMy Journey started 5/13 CNS now starting CBL
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All depends on your goals too. If I find that I am getting a bit flabby I'll cut the backload to just 1 meal 1 hour post workout. I am doing SA, but if you were doing DB you could get away with a longer window. Play with it and judge your results.RB
Because of all the hype around this subject lately, I litterally re-read the book last night. (Yes front, to back). The window "by the book" of no fat loss in a Backload is only ONE HOUR. He suggests slamming carbs 1 Hour with Heavy Carbs. After the first meal, i think there is a large confusion on what is actually stated by Keifer, I know there was by me.... The second meal he mentions, he states, "depending on what time the CARB feeding frenzy begins, there MIGHT be some time for one more meal before bed..." But I invite everyone to read this section as I dont want to quote an entire section out of the book. Basically, he never mentions, and certainly DOES NOT suggest eating carbs. He suggests eating RAW MATERIALS that help the body build. (i.e. PROTEIN AND FAT!!!) He says not to work how fast absorbing these AMINOS are. He recommends intact sources like Meat, Fish, Cottage Cheese, Eggs, and Powders like Hydro Casein, etc. (Notice these are not carbs, he says this meal is to meet daily body needs to build.) Im so glad I re-read the book last night. Litterally changed the way Im going to use CBL. Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
I don't know the correct answer.. but devil's advocate; what about in the Cliff Notes(Ch 3), where Step 5 is "Continue eating carbs throughout the night."? Seems contrary to the idea of only having carbs in the 1ish hour PWO..
Because of all the hype around this subject lately, I litterally re-read the book last night. (Yes front, to back). The window "by the book" of no fat loss in a Backload is only ONE HOUR. He suggests slamming carbs 1 Hour with Heavy Carbs. After the first meal, i think there is a large confusion on what is actually stated by Keifer, I know there was by me.... The second meal he mentions, he states, "depending on what time the CARB feeding frenzy begins, there MIGHT be some time for one more meal before bed..." But I invite everyone to read this section as I dont want to quote an entire section out of the book. Basically, he never mentions, and certainly DOES NOT suggest eating carbs. He suggests eating RAW MATERIALS that help the body build. (i.e. PROTEIN AND FAT!!!) He says not to work how fast absorbing these AMINOS are. He recommends intact sources like Meat, Fish, Cottage Cheese, Eggs, and Powders like Hydro Casein, etc. (Notice these are not carbs, he says this meal is to meet daily body needs to build.) Im so glad I re-read the book last night. Litterally changed the way Im going to use CBL. Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
This is an important concept to understand. You want to try to get all your carbs in that first meal. I typically backload with 350 g of carbs. I get 25 g intra,then I have about 250 in my first PWO which is 45 min after my session. I then get in another 75 g about an hour and a half later.
Because of all the hype around this subject lately, I litterally re-read the book last night. (Yes front, to back). The window "by the book" of no fat loss in a Backload is only ONE HOUR. He suggests slamming carbs 1 Hour with Heavy Carbs. After the first meal, i think there is a large confusion on what is actually stated by Keifer, I know there was by me.... The second meal he mentions, he states, "depending on what time the CARB feeding frenzy begins, there MIGHT be some time for one more meal before bed..." But I invite everyone to read this section as I dont want to quote an entire section out of the book. Basically, he never mentions, and certainly DOES NOT suggest eating carbs. He suggests eating RAW MATERIALS that help the body build. (i.e. PROTEIN AND FAT!!!) He says not to work how fast absorbing these AMINOS are. He recommends intact sources like Meat, Fish, Cottage Cheese, Eggs, and Powders like Hydro Casein, etc. (Notice these are not carbs, he says this meal is to meet daily body needs to build.) Im so glad I re-read the book last night. Litterally changed the way Im going to use CBL. Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
I don't know the correct answer.. but devil's advocate; what about in the Cliff Notes(Ch 3), where Step 5 is "Continue eating carbs throughout the night."? Seems contrary to the idea of only having carbs in the 1ish hour PWO..
Agreed. Everything comes down to the person, their goals, and their current stats.
Because of all the hype around this subject lately, I litterally re-read the book last night. (Yes front, to back). The window "by the book" of no fat loss in a Backload is only ONE HOUR. He suggests slamming carbs 1 Hour with Heavy Carbs. After the first meal, i think there is a large confusion on what is actually stated by Keifer, I know there was by me.... The second meal he mentions, he states, "depending on what time the CARB feeding frenzy begins, there MIGHT be some time for one more meal before bed..." But I invite everyone to read this section as I dont want to quote an entire section out of the book. Basically, he never mentions, and certainly DOES NOT suggest eating carbs. He suggests eating RAW MATERIALS that help the body build. (i.e. PROTEIN AND FAT!!!) He says not to work how fast absorbing these AMINOS are. He recommends intact sources like Meat, Fish, Cottage Cheese, Eggs, and Powders like Hydro Casein, etc. (Notice these are not carbs, he says this meal is to meet daily body needs to build.) Im so glad I re-read the book last night. Litterally changed the way Im going to use CBL. Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
I don't know the correct answer.. but devil's advocate; what about in the Cliff Notes(Ch 3), where Step 5 is "Continue eating carbs throughout the night."? Seems contrary to the idea of only having carbs in the 1ish hour PWO..
Agreed. Everything comes down to the person, their goals, and their current stats.
Basically it comes down to this: you want to consume as much of your carb needs as possible close to the workout. IF you can't, then you have another carb meal.
Within 1 Hour= 1 PWO SHAKE 2 Carb/Protein Shake 3. Carb/Protein/Fat MealOver 1 Hour=Low fat protein only.
This is sort of incorrect. While I don't think it will make much of a difference, you would be better off moving the fat to the second meal with the protein.
Cool whatever works I do workout PWO shake 30 min after protein carbs then carbs for about 1 -2 hours before bed a little bit of everything I only try to hit 200g 🙂 isa workin' My Journey started 5/13 CNS now starting CBL
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Cool whatever works I do workout PWO shake 30 min after protein carbs then carbs for about 1 -2 hours before bed a little bit of everything I only try to hit 200g 🙂 isa workin' My Journey started 5/13 CNS now starting CBL
Don't fix what ain't broke! 🙂
Thanks all.I think I got it now... I need about 3-400 grams, so I'll cram them down as close to my pwo time as possible."Some assembly required" 😉
I just started backloading (DB protocol), and I try to get everything I can stomach into my system as fast as possible. This will typically involve an immediate PWO shake with a ripe banana, waiting 30 minutes, then 1.3 cups (uncooked when measured) of basmati rice (200g of carbs) with fish (dover sole and sardines), followed by half a personal pizza, then half a pint of ice cream. I still haven't hit that bloated window yet so I may try upping my intake with some dextrose.I'm apparently unconsciously combining this with intermittent fasting because my backload foods are comprising the entirety of my food budget ;D
Thanks all.I think I got it now... I need about 3-400 grams, so I'll cram them down as close to my pwo time as possible."Some assembly required" 😉
How are we basing our required carb intake?Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4
Like most say, depending on your goals, how hard you work out, and with some tweaking! I'm doing SA and my back load window that is working for me is 4 hours. Right after my workout my pwo shake consists of 100 grams carbs, 50 grams of protein, then 45 mins meal with 200 grams carbs, then 2 hours later either oreo blizzard, pizza, etc. Hour later another meal 100 grams or so carbs, 35 to 50 grams protein. Working like a charm for me! Next day workout is explosive as hell! Sent from my MZ617 using Tapatalk 2
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