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Right, I have read many post regarding it, it leans towards that fact that the carbs are really for the NEXT workout. My primary question is related to the discussion in this thread, with all the talk of maximizing the post workout window and getting the majority of carbs in the first hour, how does that apply to folks that backload the night before on an off day, or does it apply?
Right, I have read many post regarding it, it leans towards that fact that the carbs are really for the NEXT workout. My primary question is related to the discussion in this thread, with all the talk of maximizing the post workout window and getting the majority of carbs in the first hour, how does that apply to folks that backload the night before on an off day, or does it apply?
Same goes for me as Backloading on an off day. I wouldn't. I would deff have a ULC Spike PWO though. 5g Leucine, 30g Whey Isolate, and some Creatine, as I do right now on ULC days. These topics pretty much come down to personal preference, goals, and individual based on how your body reacts to things like this. I personally know that what ive stated above would be best for me for several reasons. Others, including yourself, may find it best to BL, or find some type of happy medium. You really just have to experiment and find whats best for you.
Right, I have read many post regarding it, it leans towards that fact that the carbs are really for the NEXT workout. My primary question is related to the discussion in this thread, with all the talk of maximizing the post workout window and getting the majority of carbs in the first hour, how does that apply to folks that backload the night before on an off day, or does it apply?
I'm not quite in the same camp as CBach on this one.. This is too individual. If your training split is 2-4 days off, and perhaps you work a labor job, you may need a backload on an offday in order to get a decent workout in when you get back in the gym.That being said, I don't think this really applies at all. You're still going to want to get a spike in insulin levels, something that will plummet after it's over, but the reason I don't think it really replies is you PROBABLY aren't going to need as many carbs as you would backloading PWO... That may not always be the case, but probably is in most situations.
Right, I have read many post regarding it, it leans towards that fact that the carbs are really for the NEXT workout. My primary question is related to the discussion in this thread, with all the talk of maximizing the post workout window and getting the majority of carbs in the first hour, how does that apply to folks that backload the night before on an off day, or does it apply?
I'm not quite in the same camp as CBach on this one.. This is too individual. If your training split is 2-4 days off, and perhaps you work a labor job, you may need a backload on an offday in order to get a decent workout in when you get back in the gym.That being said, I don't think this really applies at all. You're still going to want to get a spike in insulin levels, something that will plummet after it's over, but the reason I don't think it really replies is you PROBABLY aren't going to need as many carbs as you would backloading PWO... That may not always be the case, but probably is in most situations.
You said your not in the same camp. And then said exactly what I said 8)I said I wouldn't, but it's individual, n I would still get a PWO spike in regardless. Mine just being an ULC one made of whey isolate and leucine
Right, I have read many post regarding it, it leans towards that fact that the carbs are really for the NEXT workout. My primary question is related to the discussion in this thread, with all the talk of maximizing the post workout window and getting the majority of carbs in the first hour, how does that apply to folks that backload the night before on an off day, or does it apply?
I'm not quite in the same camp as CBach on this one.. This is too individual. If your training split is 2-4 days off, and perhaps you work a labor job, you may need a backload on an offday in order to get a decent workout in when you get back in the gym.That being said, I don't think this really applies at all. You're still going to want to get a spike in insulin levels, something that will plummet after it's over, but the reason I don't think it really replies is you PROBABLY aren't going to need as many carbs as you would backloading PWO... That may not always be the case, but probably is in most situations.
You said your not in the same camp. And then said exactly what I said 8)I said I wouldn't, but it's individual, n I would still get a PWO spike in regardless. Mine just being an ULC one made of whey isolate and leucine
Ha, I took your comment above about "I wouldn't." to be a sweeping recommendation, not as you personally. My bad. *blush*
Well folks don't wanna steal this thread but since on topic and I just finished my workout yea very late I had back to school night , PWO oxyelite 1 scoop down and throwing down some pasta and ground beef along with cereal fruit loops and milk – I guess I'll wait the 30 min before bed cause I have had indigestion lol! I'm just eating! Lol I feel all off schedule 😉 nite folks My Journey started 5/13 CNS now starting CBL
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Ok that helps everyone. It really is about experimentation…for me, I had disastrous results when I tried to up my carbs pwo, because I was off the next day (3 day split) and then had legs the following day. So I am exploring other options…
Ok that helps everyone. It really is about experimentation...for me, I had disastrous results when I tried to up my carbs pwo, because I was off the next day (3 day split) and then had legs the following day. So I am exploring other options...
Disastrous results like you felt like crap trying to train legs after a day off with no carbs?Or disastrous results like you felt like you stalled on fatloss or something?If the former, a couple hours before bed night before squat, drop in some leucine (maybe some hydro, too) and do like a cup or two of rice. See if that makes a difference. Still feel shitty, next week do a little more carbs. But my bet is you probably wouldn't need a lot.And make sure you warm up really well. I find that a poor warm up can really ruin a training session and make you feel like you're depleted regardless of energy stores.
Yea as I said, I personally won't BL on off days for several reasons. That is one of them, I (for some reason) can preform pretty well ULC. While on CN I didnt even tapper off the training volume through the week honestly. He mentions some (select few) people can do that but not many. I think I might just be one of those lucky few.
Yea as I said, I personally won't BL on off days for several reasons. That is one of them, I (for some reason) can preform pretty well ULC. While on CN I didnt even tapper off the training volume through the week honestly. He mentions some (select few) people can do that but not many. I think I might just be one of those lucky few.
I think I'm kinda the same, so I agree.. I currently backload PWO on Tues, Wed is ULC even though I squat, Thurs is ULC, Friday I workout and then BL PWO.. And I've never felt run down on my Friday workout.And when I was on CN I was squatting or snatching/cleaning to max 4-6 times per week and felt fine.
Disastrous results like you felt like crap trying to train legs after a day off with no carbs?Or disastrous results like you felt like you stalled on fatloss or something?
Both! First I was feeling so crappy on Leg day, that I started upping the carbs on the last workout day (so M,W,F split, upped carbs on W for F Leg day), then I started waking up bloated and fat instead of tight like usual, so then I changed my split to a 4 day split so I was doing a backload pwo and doing legs the very next day (M,T, H, F, Leg Day F) and my Leg workouts improved tremendously, however slowly but surely, week over week, I started gaining fat.So I did a 7 day prep phase with HIIT every day and went back to CNS (CBL was a 2 month experiment), and immediately lost all the fat I gained in like two weeks, so back to where I was when I switched to CBL. Now I am on a modified CNS: I do about 450 g carbs on CN and I do one mid-week backload of about 150 g carbs (basically one banana in my PWO shake and about 2 cups of rice). The other days I just do pwo shake with leucine and no carbs just to get a spike. This seems to be working well so far, but has only been 2 weeks.I am carb sensitive (former type 2 diabetic) and a carb junkie, so dangerous combination. In retrospect, I think I kept the PWO window open too long, for me at least, as I was doing carbs for about 3 to 3.5 hours and I probably should have only backloaded twice a week: before Deads and before Legs, and did just a pwo shake spike with leucine the other days. That is why the discussion carried so much weight for me, it definitely helped me see the error of my ways.
Yea as I said, I personally won't BL on off days for several reasons. That is one of them, I (for some reason) can preform pretty well ULC. While on CN I didnt even tapper off the training volume through the week honestly. He mentions some (select few) people can do that but not many. I think I might just be one of those lucky few.
I think I'm kinda the same, so I agree.. I currently backload PWO on Tues, Wed is ULC even though I squat, Thurs is ULC, Friday I workout and then BL PWO.. And I've never felt run down on my Friday workout.And when I was on CN I was squatting or snatching/cleaning to max 4-6 times per week and felt fine.
What workout routine were you doing while on CN?Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4
Disastrous results like you felt like crap trying to train legs after a day off with no carbs?Or disastrous results like you felt like you stalled on fatloss or something?
Both! First I was feeling so crappy on Leg day, that I started upping the carbs on the last workout day (so M,W,F split, upped carbs on W for F Leg day), then I started waking up bloated and fat instead of tight like usual, so then I changed my split to a 4 day split so I was doing a backload pwo and doing legs the very next day (M,T, H, F, Leg Day F) and my Leg workouts improved tremendously, however slowly but surely, week over week, I started gaining fat.So I did a 7 day prep phase with HIIT every day and went back to CNS (CBL was a 2 month experiment), and immediately lost all the fat I gained in like two weeks, so back to where I was when I switched to CBL. Now I am on a modified CNS: I do about 450 g carbs on CN and I do one mid-week backload of about 150 g carbs (basically one banana in my PWO shake and about 2 cups of rice). The other days I just do pwo shake with leucine and no carbs just to get a spike. This seems to be working well so far, but has only been 2 weeks.I am carb sensitive (former type 2 diabetic) and a carb junkie, so dangerous combination. In retrospect, I think I kept the PWO window open too long, for me at least, as I was doing carbs for about 3 to 3.5 hours and I probably should have only backloaded twice a week: before Deads and before Legs, and did just a pwo shake spike with leucine the other days. That is why the discussion carried so much weight for me, it definitely helped me see the error of my ways.
I can relate to a lot of this. Coming from CNS to CBL, I find myself gaining back some abdominal fat. Having to CBL on off days for next day AM workouts just feel awkward. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4
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