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Yea, but even if you didn't supplement with creatine you would still have creatine levels comparable to a meat eater.
I agree.That said, I had read that the amino content of red meat provides the highest levels of creatine of any whole food product. Reat that in FLEX a couple years ago.Cory
Yea, but even if you didn't supplement with creatine you would still have creatine levels comparable to a meat eater.
I agree.That said, I had read that the amino content of red meat provides the highest levels of creatine of any whole food product. Reat that in FLEX a couple years ago.Cory
LOL @ FLEX, they also tell you that Ronnie Coleman got big by eating broccoli and chicken. 3lbs of steak have about 5g of creatine, and creatine rapidly degrades when heated over 80 degrees celsius I think. So in the end after your steak comes out of the frying pan, you have 1g an 3lbs of meat... Not really an efficient source. Although FLEX is technically right, red meat has the highest levels, but they are still shit. If you want to read up a bit on creatine, read here: http://www.creasup.ch/multiple
LOL @ FLEX, they also tell you that Ronnie Coleman got big by eating broccoli and chicken. 3lbs of steak have about 5g of creatine, and creatine rapidly degrades when heated over 80 degrees celsius I think. So in the end after your steak comes out of the frying pan, you have 1g an 3lbs of meat... Not really an efficient source. Although FLEX is technically right, red meat has the highest levels, but they are still shit. If you want to read up a bit on creatine, read here: http://www.creasup.ch/multiple
When FLEX or M&F (or any of those rags) publish sources or studies (and actually describe the process and results), I do listen. I am refering to their nutrition or supp. advice. I often test on myself, just to confirm. If I am pleased, I suggest it to others.As for the rest of FLEX, it is hit or miss, and often just a fun read (nothing more). They simply try to avoid the steroid subject as much as possible, unlike MD.Cory
When FLEX or M&F (or any of those rags) publish sources or studies (and actually describe the process and results), I do listen. I am refering to their nutrition or supp. advice. I often test on myself, just to confirm. If I am pleased, I suggest it to others.As for the rest of FLEX, it is hit or miss, and often just a fun read (nothing more). They simply try to avoid the steroid subject as much as possible, unlike MD.Cory
Which is the biggest joke in itself. Even the studies they quote are often a joke, like a study that milk outperforms sports drinks PWO. When I looked it up, the study had been sponsored by the Canadian Dairy Farmer Association or something like this, lol.
When FLEX or M&F (or any of those rags) publish sources or studies (and actually describe the process and results), I do listen. I am refering to their nutrition or supp. advice. I often test on myself, just to confirm. If I am pleased, I suggest it to others.As for the rest of FLEX, it is hit or miss, and often just a fun read (nothing more). They simply try to avoid the steroid subject as much as possible, unlike MD.Cory
Which is the biggest joke in itself. Even the studies they quote are often a joke, like a study that milk outperforms sports drinks PWO. When I looked it up, the study had been sponsored by the Canadian Dairy Farmer Association or something like this, lol.
LOL @ the milk study! I think I recall that issue. That's about as 'gold' as MuscleTech ads ("add 500 times the muscle now with CellTech Ultra Hardcore 2.0! All in one workout!")That's why I prefer when they actual show the processes. The control groups, the dosages, the test subjects (human? animal?) and, of course, the result. It's also why I test on myself... b/c of the amount of bullshit out there, and like I've said in other posts, everyone is different / reacts diff.Cory
When FLEX or M&F (or any of those rags) publish sources or studies (and actually describe the process and results), I do listen. I am refering to their nutrition or supp. advice. I often test on myself, just to confirm. If I am pleased, I suggest it to others.As for the rest of FLEX, it is hit or miss, and often just a fun read (nothing more). They simply try to avoid the steroid subject as much as possible, unlike MD.Cory
Which is the biggest joke in itself. Even the studies they quote are often a joke, like a study that milk outperforms sports drinks PWO. When I looked it up, the study had been sponsored by the Canadian Dairy Farmer Association or something like this, lol.
LOL @ the milk study! I think I recall that issue. That's about as 'gold' as MuscleTech ads ("add 500 times the muscle now with CellTech Ultra Hardcore 2.0! All in one workout!")That's why I prefer when they actual show the processes. The control groups, the dosages, the test subjects (human? animal?) and, of course, the result. It's also why I test on myself... b/c of the amount of bullshit out there, and like I've said in other posts, everyone is different / reacts diff.Cory
Whenever you say sports drink, I think of gatorade. I have seen a few studies where milk outperforms carbohydrate beverages post workout and it's true. Milk has protein in it, gatorade doesn't, therefore it allows for more protein synthesis. Unless you are referring to something else, I don't see how this is joke.
Whenever you say sports drink, I think of gatorade. I have seen a few studies where milk outperforms carbohydrate beverages post workout and it's true. Milk has protein in it, gatorade doesn't, therefore it allows for more protein synthesis. Unless you are referring to something else, I don't see how this is joke.
I think Tokyo was skeptical b/c the study was funded by a Canadian dairy.I, myself, have read that milk is an excellent choice post-workout, not just due to its obvious protein content, but the fact that it does, in fact, re-hydrate quite well. It also contains some natural carb content.How it truly compares to a product like Gatorade, that I do not know. I do not readily use those sports drinks. Often, I just mix my shakes in water (protein + supps + carbs).Cory
Whenever you say sports drink, I think of gatorade. I have seen a few studies where milk outperforms carbohydrate beverages post workout and it's true. Milk has protein in it, gatorade doesn't, therefore it allows for more protein synthesis. Unless you are referring to something else, I don't see how this is joke.
I think Tokyo was skeptical b/c the study was funded by a Canadian dairy.I, myself, have read that milk is an excellent choice post-workout, not just due to its obvious protein content, but the fact that it does, in fact, re-hydrate quite well. It also contains some natural carb content.How it truly compares to a product like Gatorade, that I do not know. I do not readily use those sports drinks. Often, I just mix my shakes in water (protein + supps + carbs).Cory
Kiefer actually uses a couple of these chocolate milk studies in the CBL book!
Whenever you say sports drink, I think of gatorade. I have seen a few studies where milk outperforms carbohydrate beverages post workout and it's true. Milk has protein in it, gatorade doesn't, therefore it allows for more protein synthesis. Unless you are referring to something else, I don't see how this is joke.
I think Tokyo was skeptical b/c the study was funded by a Canadian dairy.I, myself, have read that milk is an excellent choice post-workout, not just due to its obvious protein content, but the fact that it does, in fact, re-hydrate quite well. It also contains some natural carb content.How it truly compares to a product like Gatorade, that I do not know. I do not readily use those sports drinks. Often, I just mix my shakes in water (protein + supps + carbs).Cory
Kiefer actually uses a couple of these chocolate milk studies in the CBL book!
Ah, chocolate milk. That I've seen listed in post-workout drink recipes LONG before finding DH. With all the benefits of milk, plus the added carbs from the sugar, it makes for a perfect post-workout liquid.Cory
The point is not if milk is better than gatorade, the point is that a study funded by a milk company that points out how milk is better is not very convincing.In fact, there are no rules for these studies, you can test as long as you want until you have the desired result.
The point is not if milk is better than gatorade, the point is that a study funded by a milk company that points out how milk is better is not very convincing.In fact, there are no rules for these studies, you can test as long as you want until you have the desired result.
This is what I explained to Bob... you were skeptical re: who funded the study.That said, I have read about the positives of milk post-workout (stand-alone statement).Cory
I get that, but there a few studies in peer reviewed journals that do show milk outperforms gatorade. There is a possibility that the study funded by the dairy association references these studies. While you should be skeptical in this case, why wouldn't the dairy association want to promote their product this way if it is true? I mean, I was given the option to drink gatorade after gym class when I was in school (I know, it's a shame), imagine if milk was promoted the same way? It's more money for the dairy industry BUT I would also say milk is a more appropriate drink. I mean gatorade?
I get that, but there a few studies in peer reviewed journals that do show milk outperforms gatorade. There is a possibility that the study funded by the dairy association references these studies. While you should be skeptical in this case, why wouldn't the dairy association want to promote their product this way if it is true? I mean, I was given the option to drink gatorade after gym class when I was in school (I know, it's a shame), imagine if milk was promoted the same way? It's more money for the dairy industry BUT I would also say milk is a more appropriate drink. I mean gatorade?
Dude, forget the milk. It's not about the milk, it's about that companies can repeat studies as long as they want until they get the desired outcome, then they publish it. So you have a study saying that product "X" is highly anabolic PWO in 6 out of ten males, but they don't tell you that there are 400 "studies" were it didn't work.
I guess we are in disagreement then. I have no problem with promoting a product, especially if it is true.
guys, ive been watching on the Dangerously hardcore FB page. Someone asked Kiefer his thoughts on Beta alanine. Then Brian Carroll chimmed in and said it's no good, and that he'd left Kiefer explain why. All im seeing now is Kiefer responding w/ “I dont waste my money on, if that tells you anything“very interesting....
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