Blood sugar rising on CNS

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    mczx1
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    I believe I was 94-96 range before CNS and pretty stable at 108-125 now.  Why would this be?I usually hit 1.5mm to 1.7mm by the next Carb Nite on blood ketones.

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    Richard Schmitt
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    Not sure mine was at a 103 for that blood sugar meter

    #212635

    Paul Galicki
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    Are you diabetic? I have diabetes (the result of severe pancreatitis), and my blood sugar has been significantly elevated since I began doing CNS about a week ago. I'm a week into the ten-day ULC phase, and despite my having had fewer than 30 g of carbs per day for seven days, my blood sugar won't come down. I just finished three months of using a modified version of CBL (my backloads were clean and somewhat minimal to prevent diabetes-related issues) with German Volume Training to put on some muscle, and during those three months, my blood sugar was fairly stable on nonlifting ULC days. On backload days, I had to take insulin to account for the carbs I was eating; on nonlifting ULC days, my blood sugars were normal, so I didn't have to take insulin. For the past week, my blood sugar has been elevated despite the absence of carbs. This has never happened to me before. Typically, minimizing carbs drops/regulates my blood sugar. Perhaps some of the factors associated with the dawn phenomenon are at play. For example, I'm doing lactic acid training, which I've read triggers the release of growth hormone. Supposedly, the presence of growth hormone can cause the liver to release glucose.I'm still trying to narrow down and eliminate the potential causes of my increased blood-sugar levels. 

    #212636

    Gnomer
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    Are you diabetic? I have diabetes (the result of severe pancreatitis), and my blood sugar has been significantly elevated since I began doing CNS about a week ago. I'm a week into the ten-day ULC phase, and despite my having had fewer than 30 g of carbs per day for seven days, my blood sugar won't come down. I just finished three months of using a modified version of CBL (my backloads were clean and somewhat minimal to prevent diabetes-related issues) with German Volume Training to put on some muscle, and during those three months, my blood sugar was fairly stable on nonlifting ULC days. On backload days, I had to take insulin to account for the carbs I was eating; on nonlifting ULC days, my blood sugars were normal, so I didn't have to take insulin. For the past week, my blood sugar has been elevated despite the absence of carbs. This has never happened to me before. Typically, minimizing carbs drops/regulates my blood sugar. Perhaps some of the factors associated with the dawn phenomenon are at play. For example, I'm doing lactic acid training, which I've read triggers the release of growth hormone. Supposedly, the presence of growth hormone can cause the liver to release glucose.I'm still trying to narrow down and eliminate the potential causes of my increased blood-sugar levels.

    what are you currently eating mostly?

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    Paul Galicki
    Participant

    Morning:Coffee10 g whey isolate1 teaspoon coconut oilLunch:BioTrust Low-Carb protein shakePWO shake:15 g creatine30 g protein-powder mix 5 g leucineDinner:Ground turkey (6 to 8 ounces) and eggs (cooked in Kerry Gold butter)Sauerkraut (or a low-carb green vegetable)Snack (before bed):1/2 cup Cottage cheeseThis comes out to about 1,185 calories, 13g of carbs, 60g of fat, and 120g of protein.I go to bed with decent blood-sugar levels. When I wake up, it's high. After my coffee, it drops a bit. The protein shake at lunch doesn't do much to my blood sugar. After I work out, it jumps by 100 to 150. Two hours after dinner, it has usually dropped to afternoon levels again. My baseline during the past week has been 50 to 100 higher than it was before I went completely ULC.

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    Gnomer
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    Morning:Coffee10 g whey isolate1 teaspoon coconut oilLunch:BioTrust Low-Carb protein shakePWO shake:15 g creatine30 g protein-powder mix 5 g leucineDinner:Ground turkey (6 to 8 ounces) and eggs (cooked in Kerry Gold butter)Sauerkraut (or a low-carb green vegetable)Snack (before bed):1/2 cup Cottage cheeseThis comes out to about 1,185 calories, 13g of carbs, 60g of fat, and 120g of protein.I go to bed with decent blood-sugar levels. When I wake up, it's high. After my coffee, it drops a bit. The protein shake at lunch doesn't do much to my blood sugar. After I work out, it jumps by 100 to 150. Two hours after dinner, it has usually dropped to afternoon levels again. My baseline during the past week has been 50 to 100 higher than it was before I went completely ULC.

    i'd try dropping all those protein shakes and just have some whole food sources to see if that changes things.. fat is way to low also unless you are a 90lb female

    #212639

    Richard Schmitt
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    One thing that gets me is that your fat and protein ratio should be swapped if not the fats a lot higher like close to protein. Drop the low carb shake, having just protein shake like that is not ideal and results in stalled progress as well as a slight insulin spike. You're mainly focusing on getting fats in the first half of the day with some protein. Then in the evening loading up on more protein with plenty of fats is a great idea as well. However, as a diabetic I would try to contact Dr. Rocky Patel.

    #212640

    Paul Galicki
    Participant

    Thank you both for the advice. I suspected I'd get those suggestions from you (I've probably read every post on this forum–you guys are awesome). I am in a precarious position: trying to use the principles of CNS and CBL while managing diabetes according to some of the instructions from my doctors. If I eat too much fat, my cholesterol goes up, and the doctors try to stick me on all kinds of meds. They threatened to put me on statins, so I dropped my LDL from 120 to 71 in 20 days by changing my diet. If I switch the fat/protein ratios, the jump in LDL will likely make my doctor shit kittens. I can certainly cut protein, though, and I'll up the fats for at least a week to see if anything changes. Honestly, the lunchtime protein shake is me being too lazy to cook a bunch of food on the weekend to eat during the work week. I did that for so long that I got totally burnt out and needed a break. The shake only spikes my blood sugar by 5, which is pretty minimal, but I've been meaning to go back to real-food lunches. Would something like a couple hard-boiled eggs work, or do I need more fat? I need something I can eat while I work (as the company's sole editor, I'm essentially chained to my desk). I'm a 5'11' 31-year-old male, actually. I'm about 188 lbs (up from 175 in September thanks to CBL and German Volume Training). I'm trying to do CNS to make up for all the carbs I ate during the last three months. I thought it would be a good way to have regulated blood sugar without shooting insulin every night.

    #212641

    Gnomer
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    like Tex said this would be a good question for Dr. Rocky Patel but yes adding in several whole eggs and dropping the shake would be a good idea as well.. id also go for more coconut oil in the AM tsp isn't much

    #212642

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Wait a minute. You're a 188lbs 31 year old male correct? I'm going to be blunt so you see the fault in this, why in the hell are you eating that low? That's a great reason why your doctors would put you on meds because you're starving yourself sir. Seriously. Eat at least 1g/BW for protein at least and no less than .8g/BW. For fats increase to around .75g-1g/BW. You lift and work. Increase the food. Again get ahold of Dr. Patel please. Something I do during the week for work is I take a container that has canned coconut milk and MCT oil, mix it with coffee. I might do another one to have a couple hours later for extra fats or take Brazil nuts with my meds/pills for selenium reasons. That's it, then I load up on meats and fats in the evenings.

    #212643

    Gnomer
    Participant

    very true you're basically the same size as me i'm 5'11 almost 180 i eat probably 3x what you eat a day you are basically starving yourself right now if that is all you are eating not to mention really screwing your metabolism

    #212644

    Gl;itch.e
    Member

    Stress and Cortisol are the primary reasons for this. Like others have mentioned up your calories. Fix the ratio of fat to protein (more calories from fat). Consider not using a low carb approach. Nothing elevates cortisol like going Ultra Low Carb. Salt reduces adrenaline and thereby effects cortisol. Get more sodium, just adding some sea salt to meals and all fluids, water, coffee etc makes a huge difference.

    #212646

    mczx1
    Member

    My thread got hijacked.I check ketone and glucose upon waking.  When I check it evening before dinner, stays about the same.BG rises 30 points the morning after Carb Nite.No, I am not diabetic, not diagnosed, last fasting glucose formal test was 99.229 pounds down to 215 I am eating 1400-1900 kcals daily, all food.  Grass fed butter, coco oil 1-3 tsp, MCT oil 3-6  tabs, Fish oil 1 tsp, meat, vegetables, 1-2 oz nuts.  80-110 grams protein, 8-18 net carbs daily.  Carb Nites days average 3200 calories.  Weekly averages including Carb Nite about 2050 calories daily.Light incline walking 30 minutes occasionally (140 max hrt rate).1 intense HIT weight workout a week 15 minutes (Body By Science)

    #212647

    mczx1
    Member

    weight, blood sugar, and LDL to conform to their version of healthy (I was down to 150 lbs. at one point and looked like a cancer patient). It's only in the past two years that I started following nutrition and fitness plans that I didn't get from doctors. I've made tremendous .

    Have you read Dr. Bernstein's work and if so how does that compare to your doctor's advice?

    #212645

    Paul Galicki
    Participant

    Sorry. I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

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