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In the book he days clearly say ditch the AM shake if you your doing SA, but then he says to also "wait till early afternoon for your first meal if fat loss is your ultimate goal." Where I'm confused is, is drinking coffee with coconut oil or whipping cream still ok?
Is the above the widely accepted interpretation of the quoted passage (page 124)? Because due to the aims laid out in the "upon waking" chapter, hunger control, catabolism prevention, fat burning and ketogenesis are ESPECIALLY important for the SA protocol, far more than for DB, as with DB you will eat anyway one hour after waking (according to the last paragraph). I would therefore interpret the expression "skipping food" as targeted at "solid food". I would take it like this:SA:A.M. Accelerator upon waking and maybe again after some hoursfirst REAL meal (solid food) around noon or early afternoon (after the "magic" 12 to 14 hours after the last real meal)DB:A.M. Accelerator upon wakingfirst real meal one hour laterDoes anyone agree?
No not really agree. With Strength Accumulation, the most common goal is fat loss while gaining muscle/strength so not having the AM Shake is most ideal. Just have coffee and coconut oil, then about 5-6 hours before you would take your PWO Shake eat a whole meal consisting of fats and proteins. With Density Bulking you can have the AM Shake if you wanted, and also throughout the day. Fat loss is not the main concern there.
Well, the difference between the AM Shake and coffee with coconut oil are the 10g of whey, which serve an exclusively anti-catabolic purpose (stated like this in the very chapter). This is, in my opinion, only useful for SA, as DB does not have this prolonged fasting state and, due to the early breakfast one hour after getting up, leads you into an anabolic environment over the whole day anyway. Anti-catabolic amounts of whey therefore, to me, only make sense for SA, where you have to bridge the time from getting up to your first meal (which can be more than 5 hours, according to what you just wrote.Example: Get up at 8 am, work out at 5 pm, PWO at 6:30 pm. You would then put the fat+protein meal at around 1pm, which gives you 5 hours to cover after getting up. I would consider it WAY more important to put some anti-catabolic impulse into this 5 hour interval compared to the relatively short 1 hour in the DB case.Does anyone else have an opinion on this or is doing it in a comparable manner?
I would also disagree. Ketosis would be stopped by ingesting anything that would spike insulin, no matter how slightly and it is accepted that whey will spike insulin. So what the heck do you suggest that you eat? I see it as a note for SA people not to eat for 12 hours, but upon waking and up to that point a coffee with coconut oil or hwc is acceptable.RB
In the book he days clearly say ditch the AM shake if you your doing SA, but then he says to also "wait till early afternoon for your first meal if fat loss is your ultimate goal." Where I'm confused is, is drinking coffee with coconut oil or whipping cream still ok?
Is the above the widely accepted interpretation of the quoted passage (page 124)? Because due to the aims laid out in the "upon waking" chapter, hunger control, catabolism prevention, fat burning and ketogenesis are ESPECIALLY important for the SA protocol, far more than for DB, as with DB you will eat anyway one hour after waking (according to the last paragraph). I would therefore interpret the expression "skipping food" as targeted at "solid food". I would take it like this:SA:A.M. Accelerator upon waking and maybe again after some hoursfirst REAL meal (solid food) around noon or early afternoon (after the "magic" 12 to 14 hours after the last real meal)DB:A.M. Accelerator upon wakingfirst real meal one hour laterDoes anyone agree?
No not really agree. With Strength Accumulation, the most common goal is fat loss while gaining muscle/strength so not having the AM Shake is most ideal. Just have coffee and coconut oil, then about 5-6 hours before you would take your PWO Shake eat a whole meal consisting of fats and proteins. With Density Bulking you can have the AM Shake if you wanted, and also throughout the day. Fat loss is not the main concern there.
Well, the difference between the AM Shake and coffee with coconut oil are the 10g of whey, which serve an exclusively anti-catabolic purpose (stated like this in the very chapter). This is, in my opinion, only useful for SA, as DB does not have this prolonged fasting state and, due to the early breakfast one hour after getting up, leads you into an anabolic environment over the whole day anyway. Anti-catabolic amounts of whey therefore, to me, only make sense for SA, where you have to bridge the time from getting up to your first meal (which can be more than 5 hours, according to what you just wrote.Example: Get up at 8 am, work out at 5 pm, PWO at 6:30 pm. You would then put the fat+protein meal at around 1pm, which gives you 5 hours to cover after getting up. I would consider it WAY more important to put some anti-catabolic impulse into this 5 hour interval compared to the relatively short 1 hour in the DB case.Does anyone else have an opinion on this or is doing it in a comparable manner?
Alright well if you want to try the shake out in the morning go for it. No one is really stopping anyone from using it. Just that whey spikes insulin levels, meaning it stops fat burning for the rest of the day. Thus why if you're doing SA it's best to avoid it in the mornings. Stick to whole foods a couple hours later. Like around 11 or noon. Whatever works best.
^^^^^^^^^What he said +1. You can do whatever you want but if you are asking a question and get the same answer from more than 1 person then it is what it is. Try it out with no food for 12 hours for a couple of weeks, then try it with food in the AM for a couple of weeks. See what works for you..RB
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