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Hi guys, I've noticed that a lot of the articles talking about “getting stronger with CNS” are about experienced lifters who are using the system to lose fat and reach weight goals. But would CNS work for beginner lifters who are trying to build muscle as fast as possible while losing fat?A little background, I'm a working student and for the past 6 months I've been using intermittent fasting to lose fat and build muscle at the same time. The science behind ketogenic diets convinced me to try Dr Depasquale's Anabolic solution, so I've been keto-adapted before. Then I learned about CBL and CNS. I've also been doing resistance training, but I only started truly lifting heavy with a SS 5x5 type program about two months ago, seeing good results and finally lifting more than my bodyweight.Like kiefer says, there's no perfect diet for everybody, but there is a perfect diet for each goal. My goals are kind of conflicting, I'm currently at 70kg (150lbs?), 17% body fat, I want to get below 12% BF but also want to gain as much lean mass while I'm still making newbie gains. I'm thinking that I'll go CBL while I still have time to train then use CNS to get lean when my school and work schedule becomes tougher.What do you guys think? Any other diet and training advice for beginners? Thank you!
I think CNS would be great for you. CBL would be tougher because of the intensity of the workouts and trying to “figure out” how it works for you.
I am an advanced lifter, who already had a decent amount of muscle… and in 6 months on CNS, I put on fresh muscle in my upper chest, lumbar, hams peak, outer quads and triceps long head. I also lost 26 lbs. of fat!Keep your fats and proteins high, and lift like you mean it. 😀Best of luck to you!Cory
Ok, thanks phxplay88 and CoryMcC! Really appreciate it.Based on what I've read around the forum I'm planning to do a moderate version of CBL. I'll go low-carb on off days and backload about 100-300g carbs only on training days. I feel I need the carbs for better recovery.Thanks for the tips! I started bringing a bottle of coconut oil to school to make sure I get enough fats.
I am an advanced lifter, who already had a decent amount of muscle... and in 6 months on CNS, I put on fresh muscle in my upper chest, lumbar, hams peak, outer quads and triceps long head. I also lost 26 lbs. of fat!Keep your fats and proteins high, and lift like you mean it. 😀Best of luck to you!Cory
You don't feel like having depleted glycogen stores slows progress? I'm generally a CBL person, but train midday on Saturday/Sunday so there's no ideal timing for me around those days. Considering those are sometimes my toughest days, I want to be at my best (I have a certified Olympic trainer those days) Staying close to 0 carbs around those days..... workable? will I be weaker with empty/closer-to-empty glycogen?
I am an advanced lifter, who already had a decent amount of muscle... and in 6 months on CNS, I put on fresh muscle in my upper chest, lumbar, hams peak, outer quads and triceps long head. I also lost 26 lbs. of fat!Keep your fats and proteins high, and lift like you mean it. 😀Best of luck to you!Cory
I've doing CNS for 2 weeks now and will continue until the end of the year, and so far see NO problems in performance whatsoever.I think it should be no problem to put on muscle on CNS, if you keep the protein high around workouts and pig out on carb nites to get the full benefits of higher metabolism. Cory's spot on with this.
I am an advanced lifter, who already had a decent amount of muscle... and in 6 months on CNS, I put on fresh muscle in my upper chest, lumbar, hams peak, outer quads and triceps long head. I also lost 26 lbs. of fat!Keep your fats and proteins high, and lift like you mean it. 😀Best of luck to you!Cory
I've doing CNS for 2 weeks now and will continue until the end of the year, and so far see NO problems in performance whatsoever.I think it should be no problem to put on muscle on CNS, if you keep the protein high around workouts and pig out on carb nites to get the full benefits of higher metabolism. Cory's spot on with this.
Yup, and let me elaborate:I'd rotate my workout schedule around, too (over the 6 months). This allowed me to put a bodypart I felt needed some extra attention (i.e., wanted to bring up some) on a CN.Cory
I always lift hard and feel good, just over 3 months into CNS and some weeks I feel like I only need the carb nite more mentally than physically.
I am an advanced lifter, who already had a decent amount of muscle... and in 6 months on CNS, I put on fresh muscle in my upper chest, lumbar, hams peak, outer quads and triceps long head. I also lost 26 lbs. of fat!Keep your fats and proteins high, and lift like you mean it. 😀Best of luck to you!Cory
You don't feel like having depleted glycogen stores slows progress? I'm generally a CBL person, but train midday on Saturday/Sunday so there's no ideal timing for me around those days. Considering those are sometimes my toughest days, I want to be at my best (I have a certified Olympic trainer those days) Staying close to 0 carbs around those days..... workable? will I be weaker with empty/closer-to-empty glycogen?
Sorry for the late response to this... I overlooked it at first.I thought it would, honestly. But, I grew nonetheless, and I am FAR beyond my beginner gain days, so I can't chalk it up to that. I won't say this will happen for everyone, but perhaps I was simply dealt a genetic hand that allows me to "grow into a contest", so-to-speak.I am unenhanced, and a Vegetarian (not that the latter means a damn thing, but some are shocked by that revelation).That said, I do not grow large amounts on CNS, just a little over a length of time. By contrast, I put on 5 lbs. of muscle in only 3 weeks on CBL SA.Again, everyone is different, and genetics play a role. Training, eating and recovery do the rest of the work.I do not find myself weaker w/ low glyco... my strength moves up just fine (so long as I push). I just find I look flat, which I hate. If I only eat 1 CN a week (standard), I train only 3 days. When I do Mod-CNS (2 x CN a week), I switch it up to 5 days of training to burn out glyco.Cory
Thanks. That's good info. I prefer strength over size. Nothing against gettin big though! I'm going to experiment around. I'll post up the details somewhere once I figure it out! 8)
Hi guys, I've noticed that a lot of the articles talking about "getting stronger with CNS" are about experienced lifters who are using the system to lose fat and reach weight goals. But would CNS work for beginner lifters who are trying to build muscle as fast as possible while losing fat?A little background, I'm a working student and for the past 6 months I've been using intermittent fasting to lose fat and build muscle at the same time. The science behind ketogenic diets convinced me to try Dr Depasquale's Anabolic solution, so I've been keto-adapted before. Then I learned about CBL and CNS. I've also been doing resistance training, but I only started truly lifting heavy with a SS 5x5 type program about two months ago, seeing good results and finally lifting more than my bodyweight.Like kiefer says, there's no perfect diet for everybody, but there is a perfect diet for each goal. My goals are kind of conflicting, I'm currently at 70kg (150lbs?), 17% body fat, I want to get below 12% BF but also want to gain as much lean mass while I'm still making newbie gains. I'm thinking that I'll go CBL while I still have time to train then use CNS to get lean when my school and work schedule becomes tougher.What do you guys think? Any other diet and training advice for beginners? Thank you!
If an advanced lifter can get stronger and build muscle then a beginner definitely can. In my opinion, unless you are starving, you are going to put on muscle if you are lifting.
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