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Yeah, they are 3-5 hrs
If you're over 30% BF why not do CNS for a while? Lose the body fat then switch back to CBL SA? You don't have to get 1000g worth of carbs that evening It's really a max amount especially with the body weight to chart for the carbs. Its a max and you work with that amount. If you lost that great amount I personally think that CNS will do you some good.
Yeah, I thought about that but since I am working out pretty darn hard 3 days a week I had understood that CNS was not the right path. I definately have the BF% to justify doing it. Are there folks doing CNS that also work out hard? I guess I missed that. Will do some searches.
You can workout hard on CNS, you just have to cut down on frequency and at some point volume.3 days a week with SS is fantastic for CNS. Have the most intense session be the day after carb nite, next would be the second most intense, and the "easiest" session the last one of the week.
Thanks for the feedback. My problem, as I see it, all of my workouts are equally hard with the Novice program of Starting Strength. Heavy squats/press/power cleans in workout A and Heavy squats/bench/Deadlifts in workout B. All the workouts are meant to be equally hard and I am really pushing myself to the limit. When I finish a working set of any of the lifts, besides the power cleans, I need to rest a couple minutes before tackling the next set. I mean, maybe you are right that SS and CNS are fine together, I am doing 'an ass busting workout' pushing the limits every time before I backload as Keifer says in the book.
If you're over 30% BF why not do CNS for a while? Lose the body fat then switch back to CBL SA? You don't have to get 1000g worth of carbs that evening It's really a max amount especially with the body weight to chart for the carbs. Its a max and you work with that amount. If you lost that great amount I personally think that CNS will do you some good.
Yeah, I thought about that but since I am working out pretty darn hard 3 days a week I had understood that CNS was not the right path. I definately have the BF% to justify doing it. Are there folks doing CNS that also work out hard? I guess I missed that. Will do some searches.
You can workout hard on CNS, you just have to cut down on frequency and at some point volume.3 days a week with SS is fantastic for CNS. Have the most intense session be the day after carb nite, next would be the second most intense, and the "easiest" session the last one of the week.
Thanks for the feedback. My problem, as I see it, all of my workouts are equally hard with the Novice program of Starting Strength. Heavy squats/press/power cleans in workout A and Heavy squats/bench/Deadlifts in workout B. All the workouts are meant to be equally hard and I am really pushing myself to the limit. When I finish a working set of any of the lifts, besides the power cleans, I need to rest a couple minutes before tackling the next set. I mean, maybe you are right that SS and CNS are fine together, I am doing 'an ass busting workout' pushing the limits every time before I backload as Keifer says in the book.
Check this article out.http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2113/carb-nite-how-you-can-and-should-get-stronger/
Yeah, they are 3-5 hrs
This is where the reduction of volume would come in.That's a huge fuckin' workload for CNS. Have you played with having intra workout shakes with some whey, hydrolasates, Leucine, and maybe even some MCT?
I'm scared of inducing hypo with the insulin spike. I have to be working cognitively too. I'm responsible for other people's lives when belaying. Can't play with these things
Check this article out.http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2113/carb-nite-how-you-can-and-should-get-stronger/
Thanks, can't believe I missed that. A great read. The gent that wrote this works literally right down the street from where I work.Definately 'food for thought'. I'll have to think about how I could introduce CNS into my SS routine. To make it work would require a little modification in the plan since with SS Novice progression you are, if at all possible, increasing weight lifted every single workout as long as possible to take advantage of what Rip calls the 'novice effect' of linear progression. That was my main concern with doing CBL/CNS to begin with since you need lots of food, and in theory carbs, to keep that novice effect working for you.Likewise thought, I looked into CBL/CNS to begin with because I didn't want to get any more fat while getting stronger. I am around 30-35 BF%.
Check this article out.http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2113/carb-nite-how-you-can-and-should-get-stronger/
Thanks, can't believe I missed that. A great read. The gent that wrote this works literally right down the street from where I work.Definately 'food for thought'. I'll have to think about how I could introduce CNS into my SS routine. To make it work would require a little modification in the plan since with SS Novice progression you are, if at all possible, increasing weight lifted every single workout as long as possible to take advantage of what Rip calls the 'novice effect' of linear progression. That was my main concern with doing CBL/CNS to begin with since you need lots of food, and in theory carbs, to keep that novice effect working for you.Likewise thought, I looked into CBL/CNS to begin with because I didn't want to get any more fat while getting stronger. I am around 30-35 BF%.
Are you totally new to lifting?You could likely use CBL to great effect with quicker muscle gains from the novice effect that would speed up the fat loss process, but it will still be slower then CNS would likely be.Just got to really decide on your goals and a timeline you'd like to reach them.
Are you totally new to lifting?You could likely use CBL to great effect with quicker muscle gains from the novice effect that would speed up the fat loss process, but it will still be slower then CNS would likely be.Just got to really decide on your goals and a timeline you'd like to reach them.
Yes, I have never really lifted before 2 months ago and I'm loving it. My main goal is probably to gain strength (doing CBL SA + SS Novice) as long as that is not accompanied by any further increase in BF%. If I can keep putting on muscle and then eventually bring the fat down more and more as the muscle mass accumulates that would be great.
Oh yeah definitely start of slow and work on those main lefts. Get strong with that routine and best of luck.
OP: What are your lifts at? How much are you eating now? Have you read this:http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/a_clarification#.UJuzmcXAc6sJon
OP: What are your lifts at? How much are you eating now? Have you read this:http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/a_clarification#.UJuzmcXAc6sJon
Hi,Yes, I have read that article more than once actually. That is one reason why I decided to go low carb and then stumbled on CBL because I was doing the program and gaining tremendous weight (10 lbs in a month) after already being frankly fat. I was eating GOMAD style basically and just eating a lot and and I cannot control myself very well when I have no restrictions.I will be very very brief but I am 38 now and I am recovering from having had cancer/chemo last year and trying to get back in some form of healthy shape (and STRONG). I had other complications with anemia which had me on really heavy steroids and instead of wasting I balloned up to 285 lbs or thereabouts.When I started, which I think was around the beginning of September 2012, I couldn't do a low bar back squat with just the 45lb bar. I couldn't get out of the hole my legs were so weak.My current lifts are:LB Back Squat: 3x5@205lbsBench 3x5@145lbsPress 3x5@90lbsDeadlift 1x5@265lbsPower Cleans 5x3@110lbs.I think I've made a lot of progress and would have made a lot more but I've missed about 1/2 my workouts in October due to vacation and laziness factor. I'm on track now again with my workout and just trying to get my diet dialed in to my workout needs.As to the question of what I am eating: I am following CBL so it is VLC on off days and then feeding frenzy high GI after my workouts. I don't know how many calories or exact macro ratio I am at currently. I do kind of pay attention to the protein though and I know I am getting 150g+ of protein every day.
I just barely got through tonights workout and I think it may have been that I simply didn't have the energy to keep up the heavy weights. Going to try to get in more carbs tonight. About 330g down so far and want to get at least 500g in before bed. Got about 75 more minutes of eating to go. 🙂
I just barely got through tonights workout and I think it may have been that I simply didn't have the energy to keep up the heavy weights. Going to try to get in more carbs tonight. About 330g down so far and want to get at least 500g in before bed. Got about 75 more minutes of eating to go. 🙂
Choked down about 500g of disgusting carbs last night. LOL! I think 500g may be the mark to shoot for, for me, right now. I can see the results in my muscles today. They look visibly better and feel very tight. My workout program doesn't really give me a pump so I know that look/feel is coming directly from the carb uptake into my muscles.I just really hope I am applying all the principles correctly so I am burning off some fat along the way. Unfortunately I think I am coming down with a cold so I don't know what i will do if I am. I have had a hard time doing low carb diets while sick in the past. RIght now my body is screaming for a big bowl of pho noodle soup.
Just musing here but;-The bulk of initial "newbie" gains is motor control/nervous related. You become more efficient, "technically" not stronger. There will "quicker than usual" muscle growth if you're a raw beginner compared to someone who's trained for 5+ years, but not a whole lot. A lot less than people think anyway.-If you're 30-35% bf, your body has all the energy it needs stored right on you to power through your training, especially once you adapt to ketosis. I'd do CNS. Just gotta fight through that initial 9-10 days.-Even with perfect nutrient/training timing I wouldn't think more frequent epic insulin spikes are going to be your friend in the long run at your current BF%, especially if you're a beginner to the weights game. What you find a hard ass session, would be a dynamic warm up for others. With your still "relatively inefficient" muscles, due to being new to this I don't think you would be able to achieve the same level tGLUT translocation with your training, so that, coupled with higher bodyfat wont translate well to frequent carb binges as recommend in CBL.-Once properly in ketosis, training "should" be super easy anyway. I equate it to regular gas(carbs) and diesel fuel(fat). Carbs are cheap, easy, quicker burning and more efficient but once you're properly on the inefficient, harder to use, diesel fuel, you'll get more milage than on the carbs.-As an anecdote, the first time I ever squatted; 200kg, 220kg, 230kg, 245kg(wraps) I was actually in ketosis (and fasted to boot! But that's another story). I also used to run Sheiko, which is a very high volume/moderate-high intensity powerlifting program, which session generally last 2-3 hours. That's 2-3 hours of squatting, benching, squatting again, maybe benching again, assistance work etc. Sub out squats for deads, you'd have the next day. I say all this to prove the point that hard training, relative though it may be, is very do-able while low carb/ketosis.Good stuff on picking up the barbell my friend. Now pick up the discipline that comes with it and iron out the diet, which ever way you choose to go. The "no control if there's no limitations" mindset has to go if you want to change your body indefinitely. There will be times when you'll "slip up" from your usual diet, if you've got control this will probably be a minor occurrence, if not...big binges for big people tends to equal big problems.Sorry for the lengthy spiel, just a few thoughts. Good luck with what you choose dudebrotha.
Yeah, I thought about that but since I am working out pretty darn hard 3 days a week I had understood that CNS was not the right path. I definately have the BF% to justify doing it. Are there folks doing CNS that also work out hard? I guess I missed that. Will do some searches.
Sorry to be an ass here, but you are 30% bf and you work out "hard" three times a week??I work out 6 times a week and I would be on CNS if I was over 15% of bodyfat. And then you want to put in 1000g of carbs on a backload?? If I was you, I'd be on CNS straight away for at least 6 months, more likely a year.
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