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Has anyone here had good results dropping cholesterol / triglycerides on CNS? I'm wondering if I should suggest this book to a friend with really high cholesterol (> 600) details below.I have a friend who doesn't lift weights. He's not obese, but he could stand to lose some body fat. Apparently his cholesterol is over 600 (not a typo) and his triglycerides are high. His doctor has put him on a "diet" that he can only eat lean protein, low fat and low carbs (except the "good" ones like brown rice, sweet potatos). I think they're trying to eliminate sugar. I need to get more details from him. Anyway, I immediately thought of Carb Night for him but I really don't have experience having "extremely bad" blood work and then "fixing" it. I want to tell him to basically take his BW, and eat 1g/ lb protein and 0.5 g/lb fat and eliminate carbs except for one night a week. Does CNS have a prep phase like CBL does?Also, please no posts on how high cholesterol is not a problem. This came up at a company physical for overseas travel, so these arguments are not going to help him in any way.
Has anyone here had good results dropping cholesterol / triglycerides on CNS? I'm wondering if I should suggest this book to a friend with really high cholesterol (> 600) details below.I have a friend who doesn't lift weights. He's not obese, but he could stand to lose some body fat. Apparently his cholesterol is over 600 (not a typo) and his triglycerides are high. His doctor has put him on a "diet" that he can only eat lean protein, low fat and low carbs (except the "good" ones like brown rice, sweet potatos). I think they're trying to eliminate sugar. I need to get more details from him. Anyway, I immediately thought of Carb Night for him but I really don't have experience having "extremely bad" blood work and then "fixing" it. I want to tell him to basically take his BW, and eat 1g/ lb protein and 0.5 g/lb fat and eliminate carbs except for one night a week. Does CNS have a prep phase like CBL does?Also, please no posts on how high cholesterol is not a problem. This came up at a company physical for overseas travel, so these arguments are not going to help him in any way.
Yes CNS has a 10 day prep phase, then a carb nite, and from there a carb nite every 7 days for the average joe. what was that doc's recommendation for breakfast, just curious? Maybe if your lucky Dr. Patel will chime in 8)
without any specifics hard to comment on the OP. But, in general, CNS/CBL will tend to decrease triglyceride and VLDL significantly
I know you asked about CNS, but thought Id drop a comment on how I went with CBL, my cholesterol went up, quite a bit, both HDL and LDL.Although since stopping CBL, it has barely gone down, it has decreased some but not much. The doctor thinks it may be genetic, however I did have low/normal cholesterol before starting CBL.
I wouldn't look at the amount of cholesterol in the body as the opposed as the kind of cholesterol. When doing any kind of deep reading on all these cholesterol articles, it always comes down to large-fluffy-light (good) cholesterol and small-dense-heavy cholesterol (bad), and both are brought up by raises of your LDLs. The point is to lower the small-dense-heavy kind by reducing your sugar and hydrogenated fats (trans) intake.Increasing your omega-3s and keeping a good omega-3 to omega-6 ratio; teas; fiber; supplements also help raising your HDLs.If it were me, I'd concentrate on eating foods to get that cholesterol to normal levels, since I'm not sure what kinds of cholesterol your friend has or what kind of foods your friend has been eating.The reason why I say this, is because you need breathing room for mistakes. You might be doing something wrong in the first month of the diet and not realize it, so you have to have room for tweaking. So before dieting, you really need to create a strict plan and tweak the carb nite diet just enough so that your friend can lower the bad kind of cholesterol as quick as possible and still get the benefits from it.
Jackson, interesting. This guy seems to have a genetic predisposition. Cloudybrain, Yeah, I've had the conversation with him since my original post about the small vs large and fluffy cholesterol. Sent him a nice article on it. I also found out he's on a prescription omega-3 fish oil pill and he seems to be losing some weight too. Thanks for the replies guys. It's always hard trying to get other people to adopt dietary advice.
I wouldn't look at the amount of cholesterol in the body as the opposed as the kind of cholesterol. When doing any kind of deep reading on all these cholesterol articles, it always comes down to large-fluffy-light (good) cholesterol and small-dense-heavy cholesterol (bad), and both are brought up by raises of your LDLs. The point is to lower the small-dense-heavy kind by reducing your sugar and hydrogenated fats (trans) intake.
Although smaller particles tend to be more atherogenic, studies actually show that particle size does not matter, but particle number is what counts. You have to keep in mind these population based observational studies were done in patients on the SAD and very certainly not S.H.I.T's
without any specifics hard to comment on the OP. But, in general, CNS/CBL will tend to decrease triglyceride and VLDL significantly
Dr. Patel thanks for your contributions to the forum and podcast...very reassuring and informative. A couple of questions:1> I drink 1-2 cups of bulletproof coffee (single-origin coffee + 2 tbsp MCT + 4 tbsp grass-fed butter) daily to keep fat intake levels up (and high quality) while on CNS. Do you have experience with observing cholesterol in patients who have done the same? Anecdotal reports suggest a rise in VLDL and triglycerides while you drink it, but I'm not sure if that's a problem, given the list of benefits from all of the ingredients.2> Is there any way for you to take out of state patients?Thanks very much for your time.Reis
without any specifics hard to comment on the OP. But, in general, CNS/CBL will tend to decrease triglyceride and VLDL significantly
Dr. Patel thanks for your contributions to the forum and podcast...very reassuring and informative. A couple of questions:1> I drink 1-2 cups of bulletproof coffee (single-origin coffee + 2 tbsp MCT + 4 tbsp grass-fed butter) daily to keep fat intake levels up (and high quality) while on CNS. Do you have experience with observing cholesterol in patients who have done the same? Anecdotal reports suggest a rise in VLDL and triglycerides while you drink it, but I'm not sure if that's a problem, given the list of benefits from all of the ingredients.2> Is there any way for you to take out of state patients?Thanks very much for your time.Reis
1> i have seen numbers improve and go up in patients, so as Kiefer always says, "it depends", for CNS using BP coffee as written by Dave Asprey, the concern would be too much fat. This is in the setting of trying to keep fat:protein at 0.5:1 ratio. In this respect, I have amended to keeping my coffee limited to 1 tbsp of fat (MCT or butter), drinking 1-2 servings thru the morning2> unfortunately you would need to come to Phoenix to be seen as a patient. My license to practice is state specific.
if you consult over skype while in Arizona is that legal?
The problem with the "skype consult" is that there is no way to do a physical exam. So i would not be able to prescribe, diagnose, or treat patients. I can discuss options, next steps, the latest research, and risk factors with patients, and can refer them to other resources. This tightly defined scope allows physicians to consult with patients across state and international borders without risk of violating their license to practice medicine. So in that respect i could do consults across state lines without treatment.
1> i have seen numbers improve and go up in patients, so as Kiefer always says, "it depends", for CNS using BP coffee as written by Dave Asprey, the concern would be too much fat. This is in the setting of trying to keep fat:protein at 0.5:1 ratio. In this respect, I have amended to keeping my coffee limited to 1 tbsp of fat (MCT or butter), drinking 1-2 servings thru the morning2> unfortunately you would need to come to Phoenix to be seen as a patient. My license to practice is state specific.I am not really sure what you mean too much fat? Dr. Patel, are you familiar with work of Peter Attia MD, he is in Ketosis for over a year and written huge papers on cholesterol. His Numbers have actually improved. http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-iI wish Kiefer would get him on the podcast.
Dr. Patel, are you familiar with work of Peter Attia MD, he is in Ketosis for over a year and written huge papers on cholesterol. His Numbers have actually improved. http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-iI wish Kiefer would get him on the podcast.
Wow. Awesome link. I've only read 4 parts so far, but browsed around his site. He would be an excellent podcast guest. Especially interesting because he seems to be an endurance athlete (cycling, swimming, high intensity weight training).
I wouldn't look at the amount of cholesterol in the body as the opposed as the kind of cholesterol. When doing any kind of deep reading on all these cholesterol articles, it always comes down to large-fluffy-light (good) cholesterol and small-dense-heavy cholesterol (bad), and both are brought up by raises of your LDLs. The point is to lower the small-dense-heavy kind by reducing your sugar and hydrogenated fats (trans) intake.
Although smaller particles tend to be more atherogenic, studies actually show that particle size does not matter, but particle number is what counts. You have to keep in mind these population based observational studies were done in patients on the SAD and very certainly not S.H.I.T's
Just wondering then, I read in a few articles that the large fluffy (pattern A) kind of LDL cholesterol would be much harder to oxidize than the smaller dense (pattern B) kind - which are more susceptible to oxidation; which typically means that the smaller dense kind would lead toward atherosclerosis rather than the large and fluffy kinds.here is an article mentioning this: http://dietheartpublishing.com/node/278This isn't the article I learned it from, but I discovered this sort of information weeks ago when I was studying the effects of LDLs and HDLs on the human body.
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