Carb Back-Loading for lifting and HIT/Martial Arts Training, couple of questions

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    omaplata_fan
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    Finished the book, read over the forums and listened to a few podcasts and still came away with a couple of questions regarding my personal situation so opinions are welcome…About me:5'11, 160lbs, 6%BF. I lift Wednesday and Sunday. Wednesday is squats, deadlifts, power cleans and pull ups (4-5 sets each, 70-80% 1RM, 6-10 reps). Sunday is chest presses usually followed by kettlebells, but I vary this with curls for the girls, dips, shoulder presses, etc. etc....I always lift hard when I'm at the gym, period.I also train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu 6-7 times a week, usually training once or twice on the days I don't lift. At my school we train hard for competition, I usually lose 4lbs of water during training. Think of it as 30 min of moderate cardio followed by 5-6 6:00 rounds of grappling that give you serious pumps. These are tough classes, not your typical after-work martial arts hangout stuff...I'm interested in carb back-loading because I want to eat giant cakes, turnovers, ice cream, fries, baked potatoes and all the things I've been avoiding to maintain competition weight, without gaining fat. If I end up gaining lean muscle weight I'm ok with it, but not fat. I'm 32 and for the first time in my lift I'm rockin a full sixer...lets not fuck that up...My current diet is paleoish (still get plenty of dairy) high-fat/lower-carb and is based around a 16/8 intermittent fasting window that I've been following for a few months. So here are my two questions:1) Can I have a big bowl of chocolate ice cream on the days I have hard Jiu Jitsu training sessions and not get fat? 2) My schedule is such that I'm always done with my lifting sessions by noon. I have a post-training carb/protein shake and then a while later eat a steak, some eggs, or whatever (low carb) saving my delicious apple pie/vanilla ice cream serving for later in the night. Good? Yes, no? Opinions? Thanks guys, let 'er rip.

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    Finished the book, read over the forums and listened to a few podcasts and still came away with a couple of questions regarding my personal situation so opinions are welcome...About me:5'11, 160lbs, 6%BF. I lift Wednesday and Sunday. Wednesday is squats, deadlifts, power cleans and pull ups (4-5 sets each, 70-80% 1RM, 6-10 reps). Sunday is chest presses usually followed by kettlebells, but I vary this with curls for the girls, dips, shoulder presses, etc. etc....I always lift hard when I'm at the gym, period.I also train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu 6-7 times a week, usually training once or twice on the days I don't lift. At my school we train hard for competition, I usually lose 4lbs of water during training. Think of it as 30 min of moderate cardio followed by 5-6 6:00 rounds of grappling that give you serious pumps. These are tough classes, not your typical after-work martial arts hangout stuff...I'm interested in carb back-loading because I want to eat giant cakes, turnovers, ice cream, fries, baked potatoes and all the things I've been avoiding to maintain competition weight, without gaining fat. If I end up gaining lean muscle weight I'm ok with it, but not fat. I'm 32 and for the first time in my lift I'm rockin a full sixer...lets not fuck that up...My current diet is paleoish (still get plenty of dairy) high-fat/lower-carb and is based around a 16/8 intermittent fasting window that I've been following for a few months. So here are my two questions:1) Can I have a big bowl of chocolate ice cream on the days I have hard Jiu Jitsu training sessions and not get fat? 2) My schedule is such that I'm always done with my lifting sessions by noon. I have a post-training carb/protein shake and then a while later eat a steak, some eggs, or whatever (low carb) saving my delicious apple pie/vanilla ice cream serving for later in the night. Good? Yes, no? Opinions? Thanks guys, let 'er rip.

    Are you looking to do SA (Strength) or DB (Bulk)?  There are two main forms of CBL, as the book will describe.  If you are looking to do SA, I would limit your backloads to days you lift.  If DB, you can back-load everyday, but go a bit lighter on MA training days.  While you won't get "fat" on DB (if done right), you may put a little padding on... just a little, but it will mostly be muscle.Source?  I train full-contact Kyokushin (I fight super-heavy), and I am a bodybuilder.  Except where we do pad or bag drills, etc., I don't consider MA really resistance or cardio (too much instruction, rest, and time between spars).When I was on CBL, I was using DB... and yes, I back-loaded after MA training.  If I was using SA at the time, I wouldn't have... I'd have remained ULC (Ultra-Low-Carb) on those days.Currently, I am on CNS.Cory

    #94430

    omaplata_fan
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    Excellent reply Cory, thank you for taking the time!

    #94431

    Excellent reply Cory, thank you for taking the time!

    Of course, my pleasure.  🙂Cory

    #94432

    MagnumT
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    I surmise it comes down to what are your training goals. I compete in mma/grappling (train 3-4 days a week) and lift heavy (3 times a week) plus 1 strong man even day, and a 2 days of sprints, and  for the most part the less dirty I kept my carbs, the better results I got. My results were based on my goals wich was build/maintain strength, and body fat loss. By dirty I mean cakes, cookies, fries, and all the other things that make life good.If you want to, or dont mind the added bulk/water-glyco potential that slamming lots of carbs every night has then go for the gusto and DB . If your intrested in just maintaining I would do SA , but keep in mind that since you only lift 2 times a week, that it would be two carb up nights a week. Or you could maybe have moderate backloads only on days you roll , and heavy-er "dirty" backloads on day you lift.Also if possible monitor BF% every week along with weight, and taper up or down from there.

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