Casein and insulin response?

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  • #9071

    atomicus
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    In CBL, Kiefer mentions the consumption of casein pre-bed, but I've read that casein causes a significant INSULIN RESPONSE, therefore proving potentially limiting to fat burning as it raises insulin for around 7-8 hours – longer than from an equal quantity of carbs as whole proteins elevate insulin longer than weight equivalent carbohydrates because the aminos take twice as long to feed into the bloodstream. Is that true?If true, I'm wondering if it's actually such a good thing to be consuming before bed?? It is the most recommended pre-bed protein source (that and cottage cheese), due to its slow digesting properties, but if I'm looking to lean out and shift a bit of stubborn fat around my mid section (I'm around 12-14% bf), is casein the right thing to be consuming?

    #190265

    Gnomer
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    There is a lot of debate on this topic..imho if your goal is weight loss id drop the casein at night.. Have some eggs and bacon or something like that instead..id avoid dairy after dinner as well…

    #190260

    atomicus
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    I don't have much weight to lose, just trying to get a bit tighter around the mid section really. As I say, I'm about 12-14% bf currently.

    #190261

    Gnomer
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    You fasting for about 14h a day? This can be a big help

    #190262

    atomicus
    Member

    Yeah I'm delaying first meal until about midday. Just coffee with MCT and bit of cream before that.

    #190263

    Gnomer
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    Yeah I'm delaying first meal until about midday. Just coffee with MCT and bit of cream before that.

    You may want to drop the MCT and cream until your first meal and see if that helps

    #190264

    atomicus
    Member

    Thought the MCT was actually supposed to aid fat burning though?

    #190259

    Gnomer
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    Thought the MCT was actually supposed to aid fat burning though?

    It can but it has also been shown to halt GH effect on fat burning during a fast...no study I know shows which has a bigger influence though

    #190266

    Gnomer
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    found an interesting study about MCT and fasting and keeping GH elevated.. ill let you know what i find from it

    #190267

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    MCT Oils and any form of shouldn't cause any ill effects. Unless you plan on drinking cups and cups of it

    #190268

    Phatty
    Member

    MCT Oils and any form of shouldn't cause any ill effects. Unless you plan on drinking cups and cups of it

    What's wrong with drinking a cup of MCT oil? that's how all the IFBB pros got shredded.  😛

    #190269

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    MCT Oils and any form of shouldn't cause any ill effects. Unless you plan on drinking cups and cups of it

    What's wrong with drinking a cup of MCT oil? that's how all the IFBB pros got shredded.  😛

    Haha yeah by literally "flushing" everything out of their system.

    #190270

    atomicus
    Member

    Jokes aside, I'm rather thrown by what you're saying here. No MCT in the morning? Kiefer's 'Accelerator Shake' consisting of coffee, coconut milk and whey isolate now MINUS the coconut milk? I've actually been using a tbsp of pure MCT oil, but either way, you're saying lose that? Why exactly? I'm confused… I thought the whole point of this accelerator shake was to aid fat burning?? Ketogenesis and all that. He's wrong? 😮

    #190272

    Gnomer
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    Jokes aside, I'm rather thrown by what you're saying here. No MCT in the morning? Kiefer's 'Accelerator Shake' consisting of coffee, coconut milk and whey isolate now MINUS the coconut milk? I've actually been using a tbsp of pure MCT oil, but either way, you're saying lose that? Why exactly? I'm confused... I thought the whole point of this accelerator shake was to aid fat burning?? Ketogenesis and all that. He's wrong? 😮

    don't want to start an argument about what keifer found in his research and what other research shows.. check your PM

    #190271

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Have you read the article?

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