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June 26, 2013 at 6:38 pm #8936
Ryan SadberryParticipantI'm 5-11, and around 208lbs. I would estimate my bf at 17-18%. I'm not amazing, but I've been doing a bodyweight protocol (pushups, pullups, setups) plus a couple weighted sets for my lower body. All in all, I do a full body workout 3-4 times per week, and it keeps me fairly stout.My question is... I've been doing carb nite, and have seen decent muscle gain, and fat loss. I'm thinking of buying CBL and transitioning. Not having read it yet, could I do CBL with a full body routine 3-4 times a week? Or is it best designed for heavy muscle building? I'm looking for a harder workout, plus the benefits of cbl.Thank you for your thoughts.Tommy Boy.
June 26, 2013 at 8:33 pm #188051
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorIt's incredibly hard to get the needed stimulus for make CBL for as advertised with BW training.Possible, but hard.
June 26, 2013 at 9:29 pm #188052
tzanghiParticipantI second Trevor's notion.My question is why would you want to stick to BW training?
June 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm #188053
Ryan SadberryParticipantWell, perhaps I should explain and rephrase my question.Alot of my workout decision is based upon the circumstances in my life. I work alot. I have a family and limited free time in the evenings (or mornings). I live out in the middle of nowhere (20mins, one way, from nearest gym), I don't have a ton of extra money to buy equipment or memberships, etc. I guess one of my main reasons for preferring a BW routine is.... i used to be almost 300lbs, so I've always been big, and now I"m finally slimming down, and I'd prefer to not get all bulked up again. I'm already very broad shouldered (52") and am working my way into size 32" pants. I'm at 34" now... I used to be size 42" pants...My brother in law, and myself are working on putting together some weights for heavy squats and dead lifts, i definitely want to add that to my routine. I also have 2 20lb and 35lb free weights that I use for my back and shoulders, but I mainly do incline pushups, a ton of situps and leg lifts, and pullups in multiple grips. I'm working on getting a 70lb kettlebell (they're expensive!) and I'd also like to get a weighted vest for increased resistance in my routine. I kind of like the whole old school "Rocky Balboa" style workout! hahaha.As far as switching to CBL, I am currently doing CNS, but I guess I'm asking... since I am clearly very active and training, if I notched up my routine a bit, could I benefit more from doing a 3-4 night CBL, instead of using carbnite (which has been good to me, too). Sitting at 17-18% that is? Could that help push my numbers closer to 9-10% and help me put on a few more pounds of muscle?I hope that clarifies some things, and feel free to critique me. I make no claims at being an expert! 🙂Tommy Boy
June 27, 2013 at 9:18 pm #188054
tzanghiParticipantI see, that makes sense.I'd stick with Carb Nite if you're both looking to slim down and running a bodyweight-type program to do so. I thought you were trying to build muscle/lose fat, but that makes a lot more sense now.Carb Nite, 100%.
June 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm #188055
Ryan SadberryParticipantOk, so let me ask these questions, theoretically.What physiological changes could I expect if I were to switch to CBL with the workout techniques I described? Would I put on alot of muscle? burn more fat? Would the muscle increase + fat loss be noticeably greater than the minimal muscle increase + fat loss I am currently seeing in CNS?Thank you for your thoughts!
June 27, 2013 at 10:38 pm #188056
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorOk, so let me ask these questions, theoretically.What physiological changes could I expect if I were to switch to CBL with the workout techniques I described? Would I put on alot of muscle? burn more fat? Would the muscle increase + fat loss be noticeably greater than the minimal muscle increase + fat loss I am currently seeing in CNS?Thank you for your thoughts!
You likely wouldn't see much more muscle increase with CBL compared to CNS simply because BW training taps out with growth potential much sooner then traditional strength training.The only benefit you'd likely see is having full muscle and better energy, plus having a more "normal" life compared to staying keto.
June 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm #188057
Ryan SadberryParticipantOk, one last set of questions, concerning my workout methods and CBL. I'm on the fringe of buying the CBL book. If I were to add a weighted vest to all my compound exercise routines, could I invoke enough of the needed hormonal responses to get some of the muscle gain/fat loss "as advertised" by CBL? Or would I pretty much see just the same sort of effects that Trevor just described? And lastly, even if I stayed on a notched up BW routine, and switched to a CBL program.. would I still see fat loss and muscle retention at a better rate than CNS?Thank you for your time and patience with a "newbie"! 🙂Tommy Boy
June 28, 2013 at 9:24 pm #188058
tzanghiParticipantOk, one last set of questions, concerning my workout methods and CBL. I'm on the fringe of buying the CBL book. If I were to add a weighted vest to all my compound exercise routines, could I invoke enough of the needed hormonal responses to get some of the muscle gain/fat loss "as advertised" by CBL? Or would I pretty much see just the same sort of effects that Trevor just described? And lastly, even if I stayed on a notched up BW routine, and switched to a CBL program.. would I still see fat loss and muscle retention at a better rate than CNS?Thank you for your time and patience with a "newbie"! 🙂Tommy Boy
1)The weighted vest would work for some time until your body adapted to it at which point it would not longer offer the same benefits. That's the thing with resistance training; as you get stronger, you need a greater stimulus to disrupt homeostasis and cause an adaptation. So the vest would work temporarily, but wouldn't be a long term solution.2)You would likely see slightly less fat loss if you did CBL right. Muscle likely wouldn't change much if at all. You would likely see performance improvements from more carbs, though.
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