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Everyone is right about fat being high while ULC. The number in the book is the bare minimum to ever have, but it's not recommend to have so little.Kiefer likes people have lots of saturated fat in their diet, there are plenty of benefits to having super high saturated fat intake, including skyrocketing T levels and much healthier hormone levels in general.
But even more importantly a high fat diet makes your body produce more enzymes to digest and breakdown both dietary fat and stored body fat. Otherwise if carbs or protein were your dominant energy macros you are more likely to catabolize muscle tissue when you are fasting or on a reduced calorie diet.
Everyone is right about fat being high while ULC. The number in the book is the bare minimum to ever have, but it's not recommend to have so little.Kiefer likes people have lots of saturated fat in their diet, there are plenty of benefits to having super high saturated fat intake, including skyrocketing T levels and much healthier hormone levels in general.
But even more importantly a high fat diet makes your body produce more enzymes to digest and breakdown both dietary fat and stored body fat. Otherwise if carbs or protein were your dominant energy macros you are more likely to catabolize muscle tissue when you are fasting or on a reduced calorie diet.
Very very true.
I'm more than willing to give it a try and see how it goes. When I think of a high fat diet I think of fat intake being around 70-90grams/day. So when I see that he's recommending fat be as high as 160grams or more (depending on the individual) during the pre carb back-load portion of your day that sounds more like ultra high fat intake and nothing I've seen recommended…but hey this diet isn't really conventional to start with anyway.My first thought though is that with fat being that high you would really want to try and make a majority of it from healthier natural sources. I would think with fat intake that high for any extended amount of time coming you would want to limit/eliminate any hydrogenated and other man made high processed oils as that would lead to very negative side effects.
I'm more than willing to give it a try and see how it goes. When I think of a high fat diet I think of fat intake being around 70-90grams/day. So when I see that he's recommending fat be as high as 160grams or more (depending on the individual) during the pre carb back-load portion of your day that sounds more like ultra high fat intake and nothing I've seen recommended...but hey this diet isn't really conventional to start with anyway.My first thought though is that with fat being that high you would really want to try and make a majority of it from healthier natural sources. I would think with fat intake that high for any extended amount of time coming you would want to limit/eliminate any hydrogenated and other man made high processed oils as that would lead to very negative side effects.
On a night you are backloading your fat intake will be lower most of the time. When I backload I maybe hit 100-120g fat, when I'm ULC all day I'm 200g+, you just want to make sure you are matching during a ULC time.It's true you want to have healthy fats, avoid vegetable and hydrogenated oils like the plague, eat lots of animal fat (tallow, lard, butter) and coconut/MCT oil, then nut/fruit oils sparingly
On a night you are backloading your fat intake will be lower most of the time. When I backload I maybe hit 100-120g fat, when I'm ULC all day I'm 200g+, you just want to make sure you are matching during a ULC time.It's true you want to have healthy fats, avoid vegetable and hydrogenated oils like the plague, eat lots of animal fat (tallow, lard, butter) and coconut/MCT oil, then nut/fruit oils sparingly
That makes sense. Ever tried adding Udo's Choice Oil?
As their is plenty of omega 3s to counteract the artery hardening effect of saturated fats and all the other benefits of fish oils
On a night you are backloading your fat intake will be lower most of the time. When I backload I maybe hit 100-120g fat, when I'm ULC all day I'm 200g+, you just want to make sure you are matching during a ULC time.It's true you want to have healthy fats, avoid vegetable and hydrogenated oils like the plague, eat lots of animal fat (tallow, lard, butter) and coconut/MCT oil, then nut/fruit oils sparingly
That makes sense. Ever tried adding Udo's Choice Oil?
I have not. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's a omega 3-6-9 type of oil, right?I do use fish oil and take about 10g of EPA/DHA a day.
That makes sense. Ever tried adding Udo's Choice Oil?
It's crap.What did you miss about "eat lots of animal fats, avoid plant fats"? Udo's stuff is ONLY plant fats, and you don't want to add Omega-6 and Omega-9's to your diet. If you take a fat supplement, take fish oil, if you think you don't get enough fat from that, take more fish oil. If that still does not get you high enough, consider eating salmon.
Udo's stuff is ONLY plant fats, and you don't want to add Omega-6 and Omega-9's to your diet.
Huge +1
Udo's stuff is ONLY plant fats, and you don't want to add Omega-6 and Omega-9's to your diet.
Huge +1
this guy has been trolling for days
this guy has been trolling for days
Who, jam.josh? Maybe he's just "slow". :-
Yeah jammy is trolling. BUT DON'T question him. He knows medical doctors
Yeah jammy is trolling. BUT DON'T question him. He knows medical doctors
Haha, yeah I try to avoid those in general. ;D
this guy has been trolling for days
Who, jam.josh? Maybe he's just "slow". :-
Yeah jammy is trolling. BUT DON'T question him. He knows medical doctors
???? I said one of my friends has a doctrine in Animal Science. Specifically in the field of Ruminant Nutrition....which is very relevant in discussing the nutritional content of some animal fats and products. Did you not know there were other types of Dr.'s? 😉
That makes sense. Ever tried adding Udo's Choice Oil?
It's crap.What did you miss about "eat lots of animal fats, avoid plant fats"? Udo's stuff is ONLY plant fats, and you don't want to add Omega-6 and Omega-9's to your diet. If you take a fat supplement, take fish oil, if you think you don't get enough fat from that, take more fish oil. If that still does not get you high enough, consider eating salmon.
True, it is made from plant sources. It contains a 2:1 ratio of Omega-3's to Omega-6 & 9's. I am aware of the dangers of Omega-6 and 9 FA's. However, you don't want to completely remove them from your diet either. You just don't want to consume too many as well as not enough Omega-3's. I'm sorry, I'm not convinced that you want to avoid or completely eliminate plant sources for any essential FA's. I'm not a mindless drone who religiously follows the teachings of someone who wrote a few books without putting a little bit of my own thoughts in as well. Kiefer is very smart and I like his views but there are a lot of other very smart people too that have valid points on this particular subject as well. This area of avoiding or not avoiding plant sources for FA's isn't a make or break topic that is critical to CBL working. If I'm not mistaken CBL doesn't say much, if anything, about eliminating plant sources for FA's either.Please don't misinterpret me either, I'm also not saying you want to get ALL your FA's from just one source. I think once you limit yourself nutritionally you are doing just that...limiting your body. You should diversify the sources of your fats as much as possible. Each one has its own benefits the other may not. I do supplement with some fish oils but I also use coconut oil, red palm oil and Udo's Oil (my substitute for cutting out EVOO...see I do consider things you guys say). Then whatever I also get from beef and eggs as well. This is the same reasoning as why you should get your protein from a wide variety of sources. It's by no means an essential thing to do but it does offer you the benefits of a more diverse spectrum of amino acids as opposed to only the same sources all the time. Variety is the spice of life for a reason. But hey, sticking to the same things won't kill you either so to each their own.Just don't get you panties in a bunch when someone says something you personally don't agree with. This isn't going against the principles of CBL or CNS. It's not outright wrong. It's just something you wouldn't do so recognize the difference.
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