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February 5, 2013 at 7:47 am #6559
StelMKeymasterTHIS MAY BE ONE FOR JOHN KIEFERI've read extensively to try and find an anwer, and I know that I can't be the only person thinking it!!!CBL Goal is to ...1. Supply the nutrients necessary to support the anabolic signaling triggered through training (thus the need for a post workout ingestion of the Hypertophic Potentiator regardless of whether you train in the am or pm) AND2. To refill glycogen levels for the next-day’s training. BUT what if you don't train the next day? What if you only train every 2nd day? John repeatedly states that, "replenishing glycogen levels is not to recover from today’s training but to prepare for the next day’s." So I ask the question again. What if you don't train the next day, what if the next day is an "off day" and you only train every 2nd day?Should we in this case be Back Loading on that "off day"?, the same way as it's suggested for those that train in the morning? ... and not back load on the training day other than to have the post work out Potentiator? I CBL for the last 3 months of the 2012. At the end of that time, I decided that I would not continue to pursue with CBL. Why, you may ask? I got FAT and felt fat. My belt buckle went out 2 notches. I went from 16% to approx 20-21% body fat. SO ... I decided that it just didn't work for me. -I'm either too old (I'm 45 years old - Been training for 25 years)-I'm not training hard enough (which I am, although I must admit that I changed my normal weight training focus over that 3month period. I decided to focus more on a 3 month strength training phase, the end of which I was hoping to have a substantial increase in my general weight training weights. I should mention that I did get stronger over that time ) OR-This system doesn't work on a 3 day a week training program. NOW, I find myself at the beginning of the new year and trying to decide if I should just give it one more go ... But this time, try and figure out what went wrong?MUCH THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP.
February 5, 2013 at 7:53 am #141900
btruongGuestI train every other day and I only carb load on the nights I work out. So far I haven't really gained or lost any weight per se. i'm still fluctuating between 126-130lbs. I can say that I'm pretty much still new to this but I've gotten slightly leaner. as for my overall strength…it's not to say because I've had some digestion issues dealing with the MCT/coconut oil in my coffee or pre training so I'm adjusting things to fix that. More than likely you got fatter because you were eating way too much at certain times or something else was off. This is where its crucial to be logging everything and posting it so people can help you out and see where you might be going wrong. I log everything but I don't exactly weigh everything. I do the best I can and try to weigh the most important stuff liek when I carb load to gauge how it's going.
February 5, 2013 at 10:08 am #141901
d3spwnParticipant[...]Should we in this case be Back Loading on that "off day"?, the same way as it's suggested for those that train in the morning? ... and not back load on the training day other than to have the post work out Potentiator?[...]
Yes, this is pretty much what Kiefer said in a recent YouTube video. To get the anabolic effect you really only need to spike insulin. You can hold off the carbs untill the night before the next workout.That said, if you train every second day, I doubt it really matters. You're not going to deplete your glycogen on the off days.
February 6, 2013 at 8:56 pm #141902
Gl;itch.eMember[...]Should we in this case be Back Loading on that "off day"?, the same way as it's suggested for those that train in the morning? ... and not back load on the training day other than to have the post work out Potentiator?[...]
Yes, this is pretty much what Kiefer said in a recent YouTube video. To get the anabolic effect you really only need to spike insulin. You can hold off the carbs untill the night before the next workout.That said, if you train every second day, I doubt it really matters. You're not going to deplete your glycogen on the off days.
x2It depends what you want to do. If you are looking to gain muscle and recomp you are better off having your carbs PWO. If you are worried more about strength then you could try having your carbs the night before. But without the training stimulus you are not going to get the localised Glut4 translocation that would help supersaturate your muscles with glycogen. Not a big deal really, but it does mean you can "get away" with more carbs without fat gain if you backload after training rather than on off days prior to training.
February 8, 2013 at 4:29 pm #141903
L J WALKERParticipantI decided to focus more on a 3 month strength training phase, the end of which I was hoping to have a substantial increase in my general weight training weights. I should mention that I did get stronger over that time ) Without knowing what your nutrition was like, I would definitely look at your training. My buddy was doing the Shockwave protocol while back loading and he too was getting strong but fat. As soon as he went to DH HeavyDuty for CBL he started leaning back out. There is a definite difference between a strength gaining workout and a typical bodybuilding workout.Another good glycogen depleting workout is this one:http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-dtp-training.html
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