CBL for 24% bf?

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    stumprrp
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    Looks like simply too many calories.  At the end of the day it truely is about calories in and calories out.  Drop them back 500 and see where you are at.

    #77867

    Fairy
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    Looks like simply too many calories.  At the end of the day it truely is about calories in and calories out.  Drop them back 500 and see where you are at.

    Can people stop saying this please? That's exactly what this diet is not about

    #77868

    Zach516
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    Looks like simply too many calories.  At the end of the day it truely is about calories in and calories out.  Drop them back 500 and see where you are at.

    Can people stop saying this please? That's exactly what this diet is not about

    Why? Its a physiological fact. The people who have the most success are the ones consuming less than they burn. There is no way around it. A ketogenic diet just happens to reduce appetite on its own. There is no "metabolic advantage". Increased TEF because of increased protein intake and appetite supression= natural caloric deficit.

    #77869

    PJC48
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    Read Kiefers comments on the most recent article on DH.com. CBL is not just for people under 15%bf. that's just a DH forum mythCould you point me in the direction of Kiefer's comment. I am really interested in reading what he has to say.  I looked for it but couldn't find it (newbies!!).  Thanks so much!!

    #77870

    All carb nite is, is the Ketogenic diet with a carb-up every 10 days (or so).What is the ketogenic diet? Eating few enough carbs so your body produces ketones.Google the Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald. Google book will let you read a lot of it for free. He covers it the best and he will tell you why you aren't losing weight.Its your calorie deficit. Every diet requires a calorie deficit. If you are eating far more calories than your body uses your body has no reason to remove stored fat...http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/ use that calculator to choose a deficit & get your macros. You will need to play with it a little bit to get the proper number of carbs and protein. Varying macros on workout/off days is up to you. Some people eat more carbs on workout days.

    #77871

    Brandon D Christ
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    Read Kiefers comments on the most recent article on DH.com. CBL is not just for people under 15%bf. that's just a DH forum myth

    Could you point me in the direction of Kiefer's comment. I am really interested in reading what he has to say.  I looked for it but couldn't find it (newbies!!).  Thanks so much!!http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2031/18-months-of-carb-back-loading-with-julia-ladewski/Look at the comments section in this article.  Kiefer explains it.  The 15% bodyfat thing is not a myth, but a misunderstanding.  Myself and others who have said it mean that most people with higher levels of bodyfat are better off doing Carb Nite because you still recomp with Carb Nite at higher levels of bodyfat.  Since this is true, you will get to where you want to go faster than if you used CBL, which works too, but at a slower pace.  Obviously though there are circumstances where CBL would be better for people with higher levels of bodyfat.Other and myself who have said that never meant CBL doesn't work at higher bodyfat levels.  However, I will admit, it was being communicated poorly.  I can see why some people interepereted it that way.  Read Kiefer's comments and you will get the clear picture.

    #77872

    Brandon D Christ
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    All carb nite is, is the Ketogenic diet with a carb-up every 10 days (or so).What is the ketogenic diet? Eating few enough carbs so your body produces ketones.Google the Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald. Google book will let you read a lot of it for free. He covers it the best and he will tell you why you aren't losing weight.Its your calorie deficit. Every diet requires a calorie deficit. If you are eating far more calories than your body uses your body has no reason to remove stored fat...http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/ use that calculator to choose a deficit & get your macros. You will need to play with it a little bit to get the proper number of carbs and protein. Varying macros on workout/off days is up to you. Some people eat more carbs on workout days.

    The idea of a calorie deficit is an extremely integral analysis of the human body.  Yes in the end of the day the second law of thermodynamics is true.  However, the metabolism of the human body is not constant over any period of time, it is constantly changing.  Also the ketogenic diet keeps the body in an ideal horomonal state to burn fat and close to impossible to store fat due to low insulin levels.  Also a non-ketogenic diet can lead to fat gain even with a high calorie defecit, if food is eaten when cortisol levels are high.If you were to get an obese person and simply put them on a ketogenic diet, calorie for calorie, they would lose weight.  Carbs are very anabolic and if the person is sedentary they will get fat with a carb based diet.

    #77873

    Metabolism is definitely always changing.We never know how many calories go out and we only have a pretty good idea of how many calories go in (calorie tracking isn't perfect, but its pretty good).The best we can do is guess and aim for a number until it stops working. Then we look back and adjust.If OP is truly 24% bodyfat then a ketogenic diet (which CNS is on ULC days) will help get that much lower.CBL is the long road to being lean. Cutting while trying to maintain/grow muscle takes much longer than just cutting. Ask anyone who has tried it especially if their BF % is high.

    #77874

    PJC48
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    Read Kiefers comments on the most recent article on DH.com. CBL is not just for people under 15%bf. that's just a DH forum myth

    Could you point me in the direction of Kiefer's comment. I am really interested in reading what he has to say.  I looked for it but couldn't find it (newbies!!).  Thanks so much!!

    http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2031/18-months-of-carb-back-loading-with-julia-ladewski/Look at the comments section in this article.  Kiefer explains it.  The 15% bodyfat thing is not a myth, but a misunderstanding.  Myself and others who have said it mean that most people with higher levels of bodyfat are better off doing Carb Nite because you still recomp with Carb Nite at higher levels of bodyfat.  Since this is true, you will get to where you want to go faster than if you used CBL, which works too, but at a slower pace.  Obviously though there are circumstances where CBL would be better for people with higher levels of bodyfat.Other and myself who have said that never meant CBL doesn't work at higher bodyfat levels.  However, I will admit, it was being communicated poorly.  I can see why some people interepereted it that way.  Read Kiefer's comments and you will get the clear picture.Thank you for the link and the great explaination.

    #77875

    Brandon D Christ
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    Metabolism is definitely always changing.We never know how many calories go out and we only have a pretty good idea of how many calories go in (calorie tracking isn't perfect, but its pretty good).The best we can do is guess and aim for a number until it stops working. Then we look back and adjust.If OP is truly 24% bodyfat then a ketogenic diet (which CNS is on ULC days) will help get that much lower.CBL is the long road to being lean. Cutting while trying to maintain/grow muscle takes much longer than just cutting. Ask anyone who has tried it especially if their BF % is high.

    The thing is, your metabolism gets higher the more and more you eat.  To not lose fat on a ketogenic diet due to overeating, you have to eat A LOT.  Unless you are drinking cups of oil and cream, it is unlikely you will overeat, because like you mentioned, the satiety effects of protein and fat.  I can't think of any other type of diet where you can lose bodyfat rapidly and maintain muscle while eating 3,000 calories.

    #77876

    Go Heavy
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    Cut the cheese, cut the chicken and cut the eggs and switch from whatever you drink to just water and black coffee. That should take out the things that have the possibility of spiking insulin pre workout.Try to put your workout in the afternoon or later in the day. The longer you can go without insulin rising, the more fat you can burn.If you got coconut oil take 1 table spoon upon waking. More is not needed and can actually raise insulin.  Make sure that you get up early enough to go a few hours without food before hitting the 12 hour fast mark.Space out your meals by 6 to 8 hours between each meal and you will lose fat.  Don't worry about how much you're eating just eat till you're satisfied. Your body will tell you when you've eaten enough if you listen to it.

    #77877

    Big_R
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    How often do you eat eggs and how many?  Also how much and how often do you eat cheeses?

    #77878

    Tanner Fox
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    Some people can simply eat protein/fat until they are satisfied and drop fat like crazy.  From this thread I can see you are not one of those people (I am the same way).  What you are following now is not bringing you closer to your results so you need to change it.  Your main goal is fat loss so what I would suggest is to lower the overall protein/fat, as the others have said.  I would maybe take it down to 225/225g and see if that pushes things in the right direction.  You need to make one adjustment at a time, give it an honest shot (2 weeks minimum) and evaluate.  I have seen people eat their GOAL bodyweight for grams in protein/fat, and I have seen people who need to cut their fat back in order to have the fat start to drop.  This is all highly individual and you will just need to play with it a bit.

    #77879

    very good info… one last question would be on a carb nite… how many ulc meals should i have? i just ate one consisting of eggs and bacon (4 fried eggs pack of bacon) over 100g of fat protein is maybe 70g..  should i eat one more ulc meal maybe prior to my workout then i can carb out the rest of the night

    #77880

    also according to that calculator thing… i should be eating almost 2:1 ratio fat to protein.. to hit my calories… sooo im assuming if it was to stay at 1:1 id burn fat quicker..

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