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Is it agreed though that for straight recovery/strength CBL is better? I guess if i didnt want to bulk up i would just CBL on nights i lift only. And for carb night is it just like the anabolic diet still? Where you want to eat lots of eggs,beef and pork? Or does it go at it a different way.
Carb Nite doesn't necessarily revolve around a designated food group, but rather the ability to do multiple things (restore leptin level/restore glycogen without storing fat) at a designated time (nutrient timing). Carb nite/CNS is about slamming carbs, like a refeed, once a week with total disregard for storing fat because it simply will not happen. The main goal is accelerated fat loss without gaining any bodyfat and muscle maintenance with the possibility of slight muscle gain. During the other days you eat protein and fat at a 1:1 gram ratio. CBL SA is like having a mini-carb nite after your workouts. you do a prep phase for 10 days (0 carbs) which primes your body for carbohydrate uptake post-workout without storing body fat, but at a lower rate than CNS. You get a little fat loss and a little muscle gain. best of both worldsDB - opposite goal of CNS, instead of maintaining muscle it's about maximum muscle growth, and maintaining fat levels. But that means bulking with no body fat gain, for those not looking to lean up any and just get BIGAs stated before, just decide what your goals are and go from there. If you post here for 10 days, you could have already completed the prep phase and be on your way 🙂Cheers!
I did the AD a long while ago and did loose bodyfat, but my energy was in the toilet. I do alot more stuff then lifting, so by mid week I'd be burnt.I recently blew up a bit and tried CNS for about a month and my weight went down a bit, but again I felt burnt. My strength was mid-line, didnt make giant jumps, but wasnt totally mush either. My endurance was suffering tho.Now I switched over to CBL, and my strength made a major jump, and Im getting my lungs back. I gained some weight back, but Im thinking (hoping) its primarily water/glyco.If I were you I'd asess, and prioritize my goals first, then decide what road you will take to get there. If I was just a powerlifter/weightlifter I might lean towrds CNS for a little, then go on CBL/SA for a bit, and see how it goes, and take it from there.It sucks but somtimes you just got to try and nail somthing for a while and see if it works, or it needs to be scraped.
What is “DB”? Dirty bulking? Either way, yeah im good on prep phase. My body is already tuned for fat burning since i have been on the anabolic diet for months now. So carb nite differs from the anabolic diet to where they want you to take in equal fat and protein, as opposed to the anabolic diet where your fat must be higher so that your body targets fat for energy as opposed to protein?
nah, guess i need to buckle down and buy the book too.
Be a great idea. I believe it's on sale right now
I did the AD a long while ago and did loose bodyfat, but my energy was in the toilet. I do alot more stuff then lifting, so by mid week I'd be burnt.I recently blew up a bit and tried CNS for about a month and my weight went down a bit, but again I felt burnt. My strength was mid-line, didnt make giant jumps, but wasnt totally mush either. My endurance was suffering tho.Now I switched over to CBL, and my strength made a major jump, and Im getting my lungs back. I gained some weight back, but Im thinking (hoping) its primarily water/glyco.If I were you I'd asess, and prioritize my goals first, then decide what road you will take to get there. If I was just a powerlifter/weightlifter I might lean towrds CNS for a little, then go on CBL/SA for a bit, and see how it goes, and take it from there.It sucks but somtimes you just got to try and nail somthing for a while and see if it works, or it needs to be scraped.
+1 spoken truth right hereLOL @ "energy in the toilet"
So i got both books today and have been gong over them. I still am not toally clear on a few things. First off, the CNS. Is CNS essentially the anabolic diet but with just 1 night of carbs? Every thing else the same or does CNS call for a little more protein than the anabolic diet? As for CBL i read through the SA and the DB phases and didnt feel like i got a good feel for the difference. Like how would your meals differ ot your timing differ for the SA to lose some body fat. I am definatley trying to lose wight right now but i powerlift so i would do the SA if anything. Other wise i know most have been telling me to do CNS, but as i went through it, it almost seemed like a chick diet or just a “regular person” diet. CBL seemed more for weight lifters and a more hardcore approach, also good for performance and strength. Idk just seems like CBL might be more anabolic. And for fats on CNS is it the same approach as the anabolic diet?
So i got both books today and have been gong over them. I still am not toally clear on a few things. First off, the CNS. Is CNS essentially the anabolic diet but with just 1 night of carbs? Every thing else the same or does CNS call for a little more protein than the anabolic diet? As for CBL i read through the SA and the DB phases and didnt feel like i got a good feel for the difference. Like how would your meals differ ot your timing differ for the SA to lose some body fat. I am definatley trying to lose wight right now but i powerlift so i would do the SA if anything. Other wise i know most have been telling me to do CNS, but as i went through it, it almost seemed like a chick diet or just a "regular person" diet. CBL seemed more for weight lifters and a more hardcore approach, also good for performance and strength. Idk just seems like CBL might be more anabolic. And for fats on CNS is it the same approach as the anabolic diet?
Ok, I can't speak on CNS because I don't own that book but I can speak on CBL. Basically you eat a bit more on DB whereas SA will focus on manipulating ketosis. DB has a different eating schedule right off the bat. You eat a shake in the AM, which you do not on SA. Also the pre and post shakes for DB have more in them. It is as the name implies, Density BULKING, you will eat a bit more and not lose fat, but gain muscle.RB
ok so its not a huge difference, just intake. Do you think it would still be beneficial for someone who is at a higher % BF.
Also, whats the opinion these days of the Anabolic Diet? Out dated or still work?
it may be a little dated, but some of the key concepts still hold water. the anabolic aspect of it is very limited - the strength gains you get are unlikely to come from muscle mass, due to the size of the window where insulin is skyrocketed (the weekend) and also the timing of it (ie. completely separate from resistance training). you can still make progress due to central nervous system recruitment and technique/ practice/ greasing the groove, however.the fat loss aspect is definitely there, the only issue is that a full weekend of carbohydrate loading often cancels out everything that's happened during the week. there are a couple of recent articles on the anabolic diet here & here, which aim to put a bit of restraint & structure on the weekend carb loading, but it's still a somewhat flawed premise. I can only speak for myself here, but I found all the fatloss I would get during the week would be undone by a weekend of carbs. I will be starting CNS soon, and hope limiting carbs to one night will give me the results I'm looking for.for the strength + fatloss combo, that's going to be a hard one. just like the general failure that was the ABCDE* which combined short bulks with short cuts, your body isn't too great at recomping except under special circumstances. here, CBL will be your best bet for providing those special circumstances.*anabolic burst cycling diet & exercise
Yeah i hear ya man, im really stuck between CLB and CNS. Ive been doing the anabolic diet for months and need to switch it up but dont know which would be better. Im a power-lifter so im always looking to maximize strength/recovery. But im tired of not being happy when looking in the mirror as well.
ok so its not a huge difference, just intake. Do you think it would still be beneficial for someone who is at a higher % BF.
It's all in ratio's right? I mean, a guy who needs to lose 100lbs can start to lose weight by taking a walk for 10 minutes a day whereas someone who needs to lose 10lbs has to try really hard to burn the calories. You are at a higher %BF so either CN or CBL SA will drop some fat for you. From what I am reading on here CN is mostly for fat loss and you won't gain much strength/muscle (I don't own the book so am generalizing). With CBL SA you will lose less fat than CN but will get stronger and gain some mass easier. Reading suggests that CN takes a fair bit of effort to gain muscle, but it isn't impossible.RB
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