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I have 4 young children that are all heavily involved in sports. Ages 7,7,10 and 12.The 12 year old is a female and a gymnast. We've been Paleo for many years and the kids have thrived in all areas as a result (in my opinion). I think we can do better with their nutrition especially for the 12 year old who is built a bit like me and stores body fat with ease although she is very fit at the moment.She's been eating "clean" carbs for breakfast (rice, oatmeal) and fruit etc for snacks. We've talked about pulling her off of carbs during the day and putting in large quantities after her 3 hour workouts M, W, F. It seems like a solid strategy and she is the type of kid that will tinker with things like this to see if she can get stronger and fitter.Put aside the arguments about kids and body image etc (she is very smart and has a solid foundation already in health and wellness and none of it centers around being thin) and let me know your thoughts on children trying out some of these carbohydrate backdating ideas. If you think it's a good idea any advice would be welcome.ThanksKen
http://athlete.io/5084/why-breakfast-is-nothing-but-a-scam/There is a part in the article about withholding a carby breakfast from kids, and the outcome.In my opinion, I see nothing wrong with this. You're still feeding your child in a proper way, and again in my opinion a healthier way. I would only assume she will excel even better with her sports but in other aspects in her life as well.
She started today on this after discussing it the last few days. I asked her to pay attention to how she feels during the school day both cognitively and measure her hunger. To be clear we gave her 3 eggs, cheese and sausage. That might not ideal but I dont think I'm willing to experiment yet on no breakfast at all. We can't get to her to give her food at the ideal time. She is in class.Thanks for the link! Interesting comments. Lots of internet heroes in the world.
Eggs, cheese, and sausage? What's not ideal about that? A nice fat and meat based meal is perfect. I would be interested in how she does as well, it would help future questions for other parents as well.
She got up at 6:30 and ate this soon after. I thought, ideally, she should be eating after her morning cortisol has regulated itself say by 9-10am? Will keep you posted!
I'm also looking forward to hearing how this goes 🙂
I have 3 boys who have been along for the ride, and I see nothing wrong with what you are asking about your daughter.My younger two (almost 8 and 10) have more carbs in general than the rest of us, but that is not because I feel it is necessary -- (I don't) -- that is just because I have not had a good reason to get super restrictive with them.My oldest (13) has decided in the past month or so to do CN with us, and he did not really have any weight to lose. Lucky dude has veins popping out in his arms and well-defined calves, and I just told him last night that if he starts to feel too lean, or lean enough, he may need to do a CN more often than dad and I do. When baseball starts back up, I will encourage him to switch to CBL. For now, he is not very active.Your daughter's breakfast sounds good. Is she going to try ULC for lunch, as well?My son has noticed an increase in energy and mental clarity during school time, for sure. His mood is better, too. I wish I had known about CN/CBL throughout his school years. I would have given him the great protein breakfast I always gave him (eggs or meat), but I would have *skipped* the "healthy", whole-grain toast that I also insisted he eat with it. ::) Live and learn, right?Good luck!
I would be interested to see the outcome of this because of not doing any prep period. After the 10 days your body is more fat adapted and just going in cold with a higher fat intake might not yield the same results.RB
I would be interested to see the outcome of this because of not doing any prep period. After the 10 days your body is more fat adapted and just going in cold with a higher fat intake might not yield the same results.RB
I think Kiefer and most of us have come to the conclusion that the prep phase doesn't matter with CBL because if you are on CBL, you are never really ketogenic. As far as fat adaptation, that would develop over time.
So quick background – I fixed my massive digestive and cognitive problems with what turned out to be a Paleo diet. Started in 2007. My wife is a fitness person. Was and is ripped with lots of muscle and was skeptical (low fat “looked” like it had worked for her). Dragged her to Robb Wolfs last seminar in Boston in 2010. It convinced her to remove some foods from the kids diets right then and there and we haven't looked back so we've been largely processed foods free since 2010. My wife is now a Nutritional Therapist with a clear slant towards the ancestral side of this thing but she's open minded like me. I listen to everything and this Keifer guys stuff is just too compelling to not pay attention to. I have ongoing body comp issues that I think developed as a life long, burnt out competitive swimmer and dieter. I'm going to play with CBL and see what happens myself.As for my daughter IÂ think she is probably already fat adapted on some level so I'm ok with just jumping right in. I want to be careful what I say because I don't want anyone to think this is about body comp for her - it's about performance - but what I recognize in the diet we have been following and the amount of exercise she gets is that there is something else at work and I think we can do better. I appreciate that nobody is bashing me....yet anyway.....for talking about this approach.
I would be interested to see the outcome of this because of not doing any prep period. After the 10 days your body is more fat adapted and just going in cold with a higher fat intake might not yield the same results.RB
I think Kiefer and most of us have come to the conclusion that the prep phase doesn't matter with CBL because if you are on CBL, you are never really ketogenic. As far as fat adaptation, that would develop over time.
It's' great to know that we can go into CBL whenever we want without the prep phase. Go CBL for a week or two when on vaca or something then switch back to carb nite. 🙂
So quick background - I fixed my massive digestive and cognitive problems with what turned out to be a Paleo diet. Started in 2007. My wife is a fitness person. Was and is ripped with lots of muscle and was skeptical (low fat "looked" like it had worked for her). Dragged her to Robb Wolfs last seminar in Boston in 2010. It convinced her to remove some foods from the kids diets right then and there and we haven't looked back so we've been largely processed foods free since 2010. My wife is now a Nutritional Therapist with a clear slant towards the ancestral side of this thing but she's open minded like me. I listen to everything and this Keifer guys stuff is just too compelling to not pay attention to. I have ongoing body comp issues that I think developed as a life long, burnt out competitive swimmer and dieter. I'm going to play with CBL and see what happens myself.As for my daughter IÂ think she is probably already fat adapted on some level so I'm ok with just jumping right in. I want to be careful what I say because I don't want anyone to think this is about body comp for her - it's about performance - but what I recognize in the diet we have been following and the amount of exercise she gets is that there is something else at work and I think we can do better. I appreciate that nobody is bashing me....yet anyway.....for talking about this approach.
Not at all man, For those of us without kids, we have no room to bash you, and those with I'm sure are excited and curious to see how this works out. My undergrad background is in developmental psychology, and I'm really curious to see how this works out from a case study perspective. Everything I learned in college regarding brain nutrition and development has essentially been turned on it's head due to new research. This is really interesting and thank you for sharing this experience/experiment with us.
I appreciate that nobody is bashing me….yet anyway…..for talking about this approach.
What's funny is that some people would put kids into this category by themselves or something... When in fact, they are just smaller people. We are all just people. What works for adults most certainly can work for kids... and I see NO point in waiting until some certain age or something (?) to start teaching kids habits that will stick with them for a lifetime. Our family has been follwing a Paleo lifestyle, for the most part, for 2+ years. It has nothing to do with dieting and everything to do with HEALTH. And performance. Whether that is in sports, weight lifting for general health, performance in school work, life in general, relationships... we want to be our best. Do our kids eat some junk? Sure, they do. So do we. But I see nothing wrong with teaching them that there is a time and a place for it -- and that is NOT every day, because I'm bored, or because that's what everyone else is doing.Congrats to you & your wife for making changes with the kids. I can't see that you are going to get any bashing around here! 😉
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