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I'm confused. I have read a lot of references to the fat to protein ration on CNS should be 1:1. Maybe I missed it, but no where in the CNS book do I read of a 1:1 ratio. In fact if you look at all the sample meal plans in the back of the CNS book, the daily macro totals for 150+lb person look like this, Fat 125g; Protein 200g; that is not a 1:1 ratio.Can someone please point to a specific page # in CBL or CNS or a link to an article that talks about this.It's totally possible that maybe I missed this, but even if I did, then why don't the sample meal plans total a 1:1 ratio??
The CNS book is 7 years out of date.
It's great that you're looking for a source. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of one. Maybe someone else knows…
My guess is that Kiefer mentioned the update in a podcast
I'm pretty sure it's in one of the podcasts, but I have no idea which one. They're worth listening to anyhow
Did you actually analogize someone talking about fat:protein ratios to the strategy behind Nazi eugenicist propaganda?I'm not sure you'll find the 1:1 ratio talk anywhere in Keifer's two books, although I haven't looked and I know you'll find it all over this forum directly from him and his employees. However, if you want some hard copy discussion on the proper fat:protein ratios for ketogenic diets there's a pretty good discussion of it in Volek and Phinney's new book on the low-carb diet for athletes. Bright guys and good, concise writers - would love to see them on Keifer's podcast sometime.
First of all, stop being an ass about it.Secondly, it's not mentioned in the books, but Keifer has said this is the best ratio (By gram) in order to keep fat roughly 70% of your calories. He also discussed this in the last issue of the power magazine talking about eating fat to burn fat, he said he recommends people following a 1:1 ratio by gram.
You need to take a step back and calm down for a minute. Don't antagonize people on this board. All they're doing is trying to help. ANYWAY, for your reference: (You won't be able to specifically see this for yourself unless you have a subscription to "Power Magazine", but if you want to run down to your local Books-a-Million and find it on the shelf to check me -- you have my blessing.)Power Magazine, September-October 2012."Eat Fat to Burn Fat: A Counterintuitive Approach to Shredding" by John KieferPage 61, Paragraph 7"The general rule of thumb is to eat a diet that's 70 percent fat by calories and the rest predominantly from protein. This comes down to 1 gram of fat for every gram of protein. Normally the minimum protein intake for an athlete is 1 gram per pound of body weight."There you go. Now chill out a little bit. The people on these boards who actually take the time to answer questions know what they're talking about. They may not be able to pull every exact source out of their ass at any given moment, but they have accumulated their updated knowledge through reading Kiefer's updated articles, listening to his podcasts, and through various other means that Kiefer distributes updates due to the books getting older and more outdated by the day. That is the reason for these forums in the first place -- it's a place for the newest tidbits to be distributed without having to go through the process of releasing a whole new book every time some new research is discovered.
You need to take a step back and calm down for a minute. Don't antagonize people on this board. All they're doing is trying to help. ANYWAY, for your reference: (You won't be able to specifically see this for yourself unless you have a subscription to "Power Magazine", but if you want to run down to your local Books-a-Million and find it on the shelf to check me -- you have my blessing.)Power Magazine, September-October 2012."Eat Fat to Burn Fat: A Counterintuitive Approach to Shredding" by John KieferPage 61, Paragraph 7"The general rule of thumb is to eat a diet that's 70 percent fat by calories and the rest predominantly from protein. This comes down to 1 gram of fat for every gram of protein. Normally the minimum protein intake for an athlete is 1 gram per pound of body weight."There you go. Now chill out a little bit. The people on these boards who actually take the time to answer questions know what they're talking about. They may not be able to pull every exact source out of their ass at any given moment, but they have accumulated their updated knowledge through reading Kiefer's updated articles, listening to his podcasts, and through various other means that Kiefer distributes updates due to the books getting older and more outdated by the day. That is the reason for these forums in the first place -- it's a place for the newest tidbits to be distributed without having to go through the process of releasing a whole new book every time some new research is discovered.
Thank you for the info. this was along the lines of what I was looking for. I apologize to the fellow forum members, didn't mean to come across antaginistic, I guess I was just frustrated after having read both books thoroughly and not being able locate this information even after searching the boards and threads.It's just surprising that such a fundamental foundation of the protocol is not spelled out in the CBL book or any where easily found through searching.Again I apologize if I came across rude, not my intention, more frustrated due to the having spent a $100 bucks on the books and this one very important piece of info is missing even in the e-book which should be updated in my opinion ASAP if this info is new.
You need to take a step back and calm down for a minute. Don't antagonize people on this board. All they're doing is trying to help. ANYWAY, for your reference: (You won't be able to specifically see this for yourself unless you have a subscription to "Power Magazine", but if you want to run down to your local Books-a-Million and find it on the shelf to check me -- you have my blessing.)Power Magazine, September-October 2012."Eat Fat to Burn Fat: A Counterintuitive Approach to Shredding" by John KieferPage 61, Paragraph 7"The general rule of thumb is to eat a diet that's 70 percent fat by calories and the rest predominantly from protein. This comes down to 1 gram of fat for every gram of protein. Normally the minimum protein intake for an athlete is 1 gram per pound of body weight."There you go. Now chill out a little bit. The people on these boards who actually take the time to answer questions know what they're talking about. They may not be able to pull every exact source out of their ass at any given moment, but they have accumulated their updated knowledge through reading Kiefer's updated articles, listening to his podcasts, and through various other means that Kiefer distributes updates due to the books getting older and more outdated by the day. That is the reason for these forums in the first place -- it's a place for the newest tidbits to be distributed without having to go through the process of releasing a whole new book every time some new research is discovered.
So with that being said Mr. Jiggy, if I weigh 180 at around 17-18% and am doing the 10 day CNS before starting CBL would a good diet look like this?Fat 130: Protein 130: Carbs 30 or less?this calculates out to 1170k/c fat; 520k/c pro; 120k/c carbs; = 1790k/c total for the daythis comes out roughly to 65% fat or more depending on how much carbs I consume, and comes is at around a 20%+/- deficit below my maintence of 2300-2400k/c per day which I have observed for past month.
Thank you for the info. this was along the lines of what I was looking for. I apologize to the fellow forum members, didn't mean to come across antaginistic, I guess I was just frustrated after having read both books thoroughly and not being able locate this information even after searching the boards and threads.It's just surprising that such a fundamental foundation of the protocol is not spelled out in the CBL book or any where easily found through searching.Again I apologize if I came across rude, not my intention, more frustrated due to the having spent a $100 bucks on the books and this one very important piece of info is missing even in the e-book which should be updated in my opinion ASAP if this info is new.
While I agree that it's a little frustrating that certain info isn't in the books that we paid a good amount of money for, supplemental information is found and small additions to the protocols are made frequently because Kiefer continuously researches his methods and ideas. He's not one of those guys who finds something that works, writes a book, and calls it a day. He has also made it clear that, having spent money on his books, we will receive substantial discounts on any new releases. Purchasing the books also gives us access to parts of these boards that non-paying members can't access (as I'm sure you've discovered). These boards are Kiefer's main means of releasing small bits of new information that he comes across -- which is why we don't fight the members on this forum, especially the moderators (who didn't just appoint themselves). So, while yes, it is a little frustrating that the books already seem to out of date, by purchasing them we have also been granted access to various other tools for continual improvement.Now I hope you go out there and make the most of your backloading or Carb Nite experience. And most of all -- enjoy it!
So with that being said Mr. Jiggy, if I weigh 180 at around 17-18% and am doing the 10 day CNS before starting CBL would a good diet look like this?Fat 130: Protein 130: Carbs 30 or less?this calculates out to 1170k/c fat; 520k/c pro; 120k/c carbs; = 1790k/c total for the daythis comes out roughly to 65% fat or more depending on how much carbs I consume, and comes is at around a 20%+/- deficit below my maintence of 2300-2400k/c per day which I have observed for past month.
Well to start, if you're going for CBL, it's not exactly a 10 day CNS, because you are not having an all-out Carb Nite binge on the 10th day -- you're instead having a carb backload starting after your lifting session that day. The main differences are that we DO keep track of our carb intake (based more or less off of the amount of weight lost during the 10 day prep matched to the chart in the back of the book) and we also keep the backload confined to a few hours post workout, rather than spread over the course of 5-6 hours on a regular Carb Nite.That being said, a good place to start would be to either calculate your lean body mass and match your protein/fats to that number OR go by your target weight. So if you weigh 180 and you perhaps want to get down to, lets say, 165, you would want to consume roughly 165g of both protein and fat by day's end. You don't want to drop your overall intake down too low because that can cause your body to slow your metabolism down to the point where you are not effectively burning the fat you are taking in because your body is trying to hold on to everything you put into it.And the carb limit is set at 30g, yes, but you really want to keep that number as close to 0 as possible. And you also really don't want to go over maybe 10g per meal, because there is the chance that could spike insulin. The 30 is mainly just there as a buffer.
So with that being said Mr. Jiggy, if I weigh 180 at around 17-18% and am doing the 10 day CNS before starting CBL would a good diet look like this?Fat 130: Protein 130: Carbs 30 or less?this calculates out to 1170k/c fat; 520k/c pro; 120k/c carbs; = 1790k/c total for the daythis comes out roughly to 65% fat or more depending on how much carbs I consume, and comes is at around a 20%+/- deficit below my maintence of 2300-2400k/c per day which I have observed for past month.
Well to start, if you're going for CBL, it's not exactly a 10 day CNS, because you are not having an all-out Carb Nite binge on the 10th day -- you're instead having a carb backload starting after your lifting session that day. The main differences are that we DO keep track of our carb intake (based more or less off of the amount of weight lost during the 10 day prep matched to the chart in the back of the book) and we also keep the backload confined to a few hours post workout, rather than spread over the course of 5-6 hours on a regular Carb Nite.That being said, a good place to start would be to either calculate your lean body mass and match your protein/fats to that number OR go by your target weight. So if you weigh 180 and you perhaps want to get down to, lets say, 165, you would want to consume roughly 165g of both protein and fat by day's end. You don't want to drop your overall intake down too low because that can cause your body to slow your metabolism down to the point where you are not effectively burning the fat you are taking in because your body is trying to hold on to everything you put into it.And the carb limit is set at 30g, yes, but you really want to keep that number as close to 0 as possible. And you also really don't want to go over maybe 10g per meal, because there is the chance that could spike insulin. The 30 is mainly just there as a buffer.
Thank you!!! I think based on your recommendations I will use my LBM which is roughly 150lbs to set my macros at 150fat: 150pro, which puts me at 1g/per lb of LBM and 1950k/c per day is which is about 450 less than my observed maintence.One other question, if I was doing CNS exclusively would the above numbers be the same as for the low carb days on CBL and vice versa?I really appreciate the info.
Thank you!!! I think based on your recommendations I will use my LBM which is roughly 150lbs to set my macros at 150fat: 150pro, which puts me at 1g/per lb of LBM and 1950k/c per day is which is about 450 less than my observed maintence.One other question, if I was doing CNS exclusively would the above numbers be the same as for the low carb days on CBL and vice versa?I really appreciate the info.
As far as I know, yes, that would be the case. Set to your LBM/goal, stick with the 1:1g ratio on ULC days, go bonkers on your Carb Nite.Then you can make adjustments as you go depending on how things are progressing/how you are feeling (hungry/unsatisfied/satiated/etc).
Did you actually analogize someone talking about fat:protein ratios to the strategy behind Nazi eugenicist propaganda?I'm not sure you'll find the 1:1 ratio talk anywhere in Keifer's two books, although I haven't looked and I know you'll find it all over this forum directly from him and his employees. However, if you want some hard copy discussion on the proper fat:protein ratios for ketogenic diets there's a pretty good discussion of it in Volek and Phinney's new book on the low-carb diet for athletes. Bright guys and good, concise writers - would love to see them on Keifer's podcast sometime.
Really? Had to use the word "Nazi" huh? Must be pretty damn proud of yourself to use that word huh? How about you actually take the time and listen to the podcasts and the articles that Kiefer took time in writing? Just like what Trevor said, quit being an ass and what Mr Jiggy said calm down.
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