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Hi All –Just to give some background, about 5 years ago I started experimenting with low carb/no carb diets in response to some skin problems I was having. At that point I knew very little about the connection between diet and health. That seems strange to me now, but it's the truth; I didn't believe that eating McDonalds would equal poor health. I thought it was all nonsense. I've read many books and followed many programs like paleo, ph balance, and alkaline/acid, etc. About a year ago, I starting playing around with CNS. I thought it was an interesting idea, and one I was interested in trying. My gf wasn't too keen on it at the time, so I ended up not doing it for more than a week or two, but kept reading the book, planning, following the forums. In Dec. 2013 her and I decided to commit to it. We did it for about 2 months. We had pretty decent results. We both dropped some pounds. She lost a bit in the waistline. I was also trimming down a bit. Not as quickly as her.We both train in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ), and I was thinking maybe CBL would be a better fit. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of data on people using CNS or CBL with martial arts. Workouts can be inconsistent in intensity, due to the varying nature of the class structure, based on who is teaching. My gym has a strong MMA base and there is a lot of focus on live sparring, so I'm always guaranteed a hard 30 minute workout at the end of class. I just switched to CBL, I've been doing it for about a week. I wanted to weigh in for anyone who may search specifically for how CNS and CBL work with BJJ. I think CBL is a better fit. I've immediately lost 4 lbs. in this week, I have more energy, I feel "tighter" (haven't taken measurements yet), and the best part is that I get to eat carbs throughout the week. I work out 3-5 evenings per week.I know most people who post on here follow weigh lifting protocols, but if there are any lurkers out there who are curious if either CNS or CBL would fit with their martial arts workouts, let me go on record as saying that I personally think CBL would be the better fit.
CBL is the better fit for anyone involved in frequent physical activity that is not endurance related. However, resistance training is what gives CBL it's “magic”. Meaning you are able to eat an unusual amount of carbohydrates (while still losing fat) due to the strong GLUT4 translocation that results from resistance training.So CBL would definitely work better for BJJ in regards to performance, however the experience will not be like the one described in the book.
CBL is the better fit for anyone involved in frequent physical activity that is not endurance related. However, resistance training is what gives CBL it's "magic". Meaning you are able to eat an unusual amount of carbohydrates (while still losing fat) due to the strong GLUT4 translocation that results from resistance training.So CBL would definitely work better for BJJ in regards to performance, however the experience will not be like the one described in the book.
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Thank you, ibobland08 and Big Tex, that was much more eloquently and succinctly said. Initially, I was hesitant to try combining BJJ and CBL and thought that BJJ and CNS would be a better fit, due to the fact that I thought BJJ might fall under the 'endurance' category, rather than 'resistance'. I think that overall, it depends. I train for competition, and also, at our gym we roll pretty hard during sparring. However, I have been to other gyms that are much more laid back. People who are much more lax in their technique may see better results with CNS. If any BJJ practitioners ever see this post, just keep that in mind :).
Thank you, ibobland08 and Big Tex, that was much more eloquently and succinctly said. Initially, I was hesitant to try combining BJJ and CBL and thought that BJJ and CNS would be a better fit, due to the fact that I thought BJJ might fall under the 'endurance' category, rather than 'resistance'. I think that overall, it depends. I train for competition, and also, at our gym we roll pretty hard during sparring. However, I have been to other gyms that are much more laid back. People who are much more lax in their technique may see better results with CNS. If any BJJ practitioners ever see this post, just keep that in mind :).
Admittingly I do not know anything about BJJ, but combat sports tend to be anaerobic in nature. By endurance, I mean marathons or cycling.
Yes, I train BJJ/Mauy Thai on the weekends depending how I feel (BJJ and striking are rough on the joints which, doesn't pair well with heavy lifting). CNS is definitely not appropriate because BJJ is heavily anaerobic. CBL is more appropriate but the carbs need to be limited because rolling is not like resistance training.
Thanks for weighing in on this, cgrimsl1. I suspect that you are correct in this.When I first switched to CBL, I saw immediate and significant weight loss. However, that has recently stalled. In fact, I've gained some of it back. I think that I thought I could get away with eating carbs like I did on CNS. Not so.Just as a macro reference, I'm at:5'11"26 yr/oldAbout 205 lbsAbout 25% bfMy ideal weight is around 185 lbs.ULC days:Fat intake: 130-150gProtein intake: 80-100gCarb intake: 15-30gCBL days:Probably about 15% less fat and protein, but with about an added 100g-150g carbs in the evening PWO over a 2-3 hour period. I just recently started trying to stick to 100g-150g carbs. I'm going to see how this works. When I first switched, I was probably double that. That must have been overkill. I am also going to experiment with only having a CBL on really intense nights. For the more laid back evenings, I think I'm going to try just sticking to ULC meals.Thank you everyone for all the feedback.
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