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I'm just going to tag onto this post....I finish CBL about 10pm, workout next day 9-10:30am and have oil sometimes around noon. I know it's only 14 hours...my assumption is I'm fine because otherwise it would have to be before my workout which is NOT recommended. Any quick thoughts?
I think kiefer may recommend the mct in the morning before your workout because of the triglycerides or at least he does in the tanner fox interview. You dont have to wait 12 hours for mct. Obviously as Conrad says this will switch off micro and macro autophogy but carrier mediated autophogy will remain open and the fat burning and hypertrophy will not be effected. Personally thats what I'm going for. Autophogy is the cleansing of cells so extremely important but I'm going for aesthetics and performance. So to clarify, having the mct will benefit your workout but the benefits of autophogy or at least macro and micro will be certainly stopped. At least that's the way I understand it, please chime in if I'm wrong.Probably also worth mentioning is nearly all the example meal plans in the book have coffee mct on waking.Also do you mean you only have mct after a workout?
This is an interview Kiefer had with Sean Hyson. I pasted the parts pertaining to your question phxplay88.http://www.seanhyson.com/blog/carb-backloading-qs-kiefer-as-part-i"Sean: You seem to indicate that training fasted, or on just coffee, is best if training first thing in the morning. So if I train in the morning, should I not have the AM Accelerator Shake you recommend in the book—coconut oil and whey—and why not?Kiefer: No, and my answer is based on a lack of knowledge. If you train fasted first thing in the morning, the upregulation of growth factors for muscle is double what it is if you were to eat before the training session.Sean: We’ve discussed this before and you’ve said that that information is based on only one study. Have you read any more on that since?Kiefer: I unfortunately haven’t. But it’s better safe than sorry.Sean: You mean it would be better to train totally fasted than to even have a little bit of coconut oil before?Kiefer: As far as I know, yes.Sean: I would think the coconut oil would be beneficial, and give you a quick energy boost.Kiefer: Well, that could be the problem. It might be the introduction of any exogenous fuel source that might change that reaction.Sean: So the AM Accelerator Shake is really for guys who are going to train later in the day like you’re ideally supposed to. But you bag that if you have to train in the morning?"Kiefer: That’s correct.It looks like there is lack of research BUT from what is out there it is best to avoid it preWO.
LOL no wonder I'm confused – at least I have some basis for it. Thank you Tanner, Craggy & Jizzmo. I think it's good I have it between 12-14 hours post CBL, seems there's LESS room for error 😮
Doh kiefer, you are a head wreck. So much contradictive information. I don't no what to do anymore?. AHHHH LOLYeah I'd stay away from mct based on that. That's pretty recent that article. If your a first thing in the morning trainer at least.Questioning staying away from it myself now till the 12 hour mark. What do y'all think? And why?
Doh kiefer, you are a head wreck. So much contradictive information. I don't no what to do anymore?. AHHHH LOLYeah I'd stay away from mct based on that. That's pretty recent that article. If your a first thing in the morning trainer at least.Questioning staying away from it myself now till the 12 hour mark. What do y'all think? And why?
C'mon now. There is no contradiction. Tanner quoted the section of the Sean Hayes interview for people doing heavy weights IN THE MORNING. Kiefer says don't take anything pre-workout IF THAT'S THE CASE. He IS NOT TALKING ABOUT PM WORKOUTS WHERE IF PEOPLE DONT EAT ANYTHING NOT EVEN MCT/COCONUT OIL THEN THEY GO BEYOND THE 12 HOUR FASTING MARK. Excuse the caps but you guys are making a simple thing quite complex. Sean and Kiefer are talking about CBL, hence the mention of the SHAKE, not CNS. Autophagy principles are in effect whether on CBL or CNS. Kiefer does not recommend going 12 hours without any nutrient (FAT IS A NUTRIENT).@phxplay88. Please take the oil at the 12 hour mark or even before. Take it with your morning coffee. One tbsp will not stop your fat burning. Even Intermiitent Fasting gurus say that its different for WOMEN. They should not fast as long. Jizzmo, though he does not indicate it in his profile, is a male (if you're a female Jizzmo, speak up, I'm going by your avatar and name), you should not be generalizing from his results. Kiefer is online even as I write this. I hope he notices this thread and comments.
Cheers for chiming in Conrad I really was questioning my strategy. Agree with everything your saying and I do understand the principles but 1 interview he's says to do one thing and another to do the other both concerning am training. I don't know why I'm bothered I don't train in the morning. Lol probably is just a different variant I'm not seeing, I mean it was the tanner fox interview he said to take mct and tanner fox himself posted here as to why not to take it from an article. So I'm convinced it's me confusing something somewhere. Anyway I'm gonna stop going on about it now I'm annoying myself!Sorry guys.
Doh kiefer, you are a head wreck. So much contradictive information. I don't no what to do anymore?. AHHHH LOLYeah I'd stay away from mct based on that. That's pretty recent that article. If your a first thing in the morning trainer at least.Questioning staying away from it myself now till the 12 hour mark. What do y'all think? And why?
C'mon now. There is no contradiction. Tanner quoted the section of the Sean Hayes interview for people doing heavy weights IN THE MORNING. Kiefer says don't take anything pre-workout IF THAT'S THE CASE. He IS NOT TALKING ABOUT PM WORKOUTS WHERE IF PEOPLE DONT EAT ANYTHING NOT EVEN MCT/COCONUT OIL THEN THEY GO BEYOND THE 12 HOUR FASTING MARK. Excuse the caps but you guys are making a simple thing quite complex. Sean and Kiefer are talking about CBL, hence the mention of the SHAKE, not CNS. Autophagy principles are in effect whether on CBL or CNS. Kiefer does not recommend going 12 hours without any nutrient (FAT IS A NUTRIENT).@phxplay88. Please take the oil at the 12 hour mark or even before. Take it with your morning coffee. One tbsp will not stop your fat burning. Even Intermiitent Fasting gurus say that its different for WOMEN. They should not fast as long. Jizzmo, though he does not indicate it in his profile, is a male (if you're a female Jizzmo, speak up, I'm going by your avatar and name), you should not be generalizing from his results. Kiefer is online even as I write this. I hope he notices this thread and comments.
The caps were justified buddy :). You can nitpick about EVERY little detail but the most complex thing to understand about CBL is it's simplicity.
Thinking about cutting out a meal pre-workout and replacing it with coconut oil. Will do this on both training and rest days. Will eat more during backloads to make up for the lost calories. Don't know exactly how well this works, but in theory it sounds ok to me.
I'm just going to tag onto this post....I finish CBL about 10pm, workout next day 9-10:30am and have oil sometimes around noon. I know it's only 14 hours...my assumption is I'm fine because otherwise it would have to be before my workout which is NOT recommended. Any quick thoughts?
You can have coconut oil with your morning coffee. Just curious, Why would it not be recommended right before your workout? Where did you read that?
First thing in the morning training that is not advised.http://www.seanhyson.com/blog/carb-backloading-qs-kiefer-as-part-iTanner posted it further up.
First thing in the morning training that is not advised.http://www.seanhyson.com/blog/carb-backloading-qs-kiefer-as-part-iTanner posted it further up.
Sorry I was in a hurry and didn't state myself clearly, my real question was "why aren't you doing your post workout shakes with additional carbs after the morning workout?" Because from what I gather from the post, phxplay88 does a fasted morning workout and then STILL eats nothing but oil at around 12 noon.
My mornings usually look like:8:00/9:00am Coffee9:00-10:30am Training11:00/11:30am Post Workout Combo, which includes coconut oil, leucine, blend H, hydro whey, creatine12:30/1:00 Eat fat/protein(of course, all of those are give or take an hour on any given day)I don't add the carbs because I read in the book that women should consider skipping the carbs post-workout. And I don't really get hungry so I haven't seen the need to have them.
My mornings usually look like:8:00/9:00am Coffee9:00-10:30am Training11:00/11:30am Post Workout Combo, which includes coconut oil, leucine, blend H, hydro whey, creatine12:30/1:00 Eat fat/protein(of course, all of those are give or take an hour on any given day)I don't add the carbs because I read in the book that women should consider skipping the carbs post-workout. And I don't really get hungry so I haven't seen the need to have them.
Thanks for the additional info. Question is: Why are you taking coconut oil in your post workout shake?
My mornings usually look like:8:00/9:00am Coffee9:00-10:30am Training11:00/11:30am Post Workout Combo, which includes coconut oil, leucine, blend H, hydro whey, creatine12:30/1:00 Eat fat/protein(of course, all of those are give or take an hour on any given day)I don't add the carbs because I read in the book that women should consider skipping the carbs post-workout. And I don't really get hungry so I haven't seen the need to have them.
Thanks for the additional info. Question is: Why are you taking coconut oil in your post workout shake?
I knew this would come up eventually....I don't have time to do BOTH the ignition and the PWO shake so I kind of throw them into one. It's at about that 12 hour mark (oil) and just after my workout. Am I doing something "unbeneficial".. ???
I knew this would come up eventually....I don't have time to do BOTH the ignition and the PWO shake so I kind of throw them into one. It's at about that 12 hour mark (oil) and just after my workout. Am I doing something "unbeneficial".. ???
You are better not to use fat in the PWO, the point of it is to raise insulin without carbs in order to stop the catabolic process.
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