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When I first get up, I have a slice of kerrygold butter and a spoonful of Cocconut oil directly in my mouth. I just like the taste better. Pure butter and coconut oil is yummy, and I like my coffee pure and black. So, since I don't need my coffee to be hot to melt the stuff, I want to try Cold coffee more. I just love the taste.Apparently bullettproof coffe people paper strain their coffee to get rid of "cafestol, a potent LDL stimulator"... not 100% sure what that means right now, but ill just trust that the process of brewing releases stuff that would be better strained out.So. Here is my question... Might cold brewing the coffee not release cafestol or other harmful "myotoxins" and thus allow one to cold brew with the french press and not need to paper filter?What are the chemical differences between cold brewed and hot brewed coffee?I know cold brewed is 70% less acidic (whatever that really means).What other differences are there?Will cold brewed still have as much caffeine? PS:Cold brewed also allows me to down a cup right after I wake up, put the rest in my water bottle, and speed off to the gym while I still have my morning testosterone and GH boost.... brewing hot coffee and waiting for it to cool just makes it take too long to get to the gym.
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.Mycotoxins? I think it's complete horseshit, just a way for Asprey to sell his ridiculously priced coffee. There mold pretty much everywhere and I think it's unavoidable. I actually bought his coffee before and noticed absolutely no difference with the coffee normally buy.More importantly, why are you taking the butter and coconut oil? You risk ruining your fasted state, thus losing the benefits of fasted training.
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.Mycotoxins? I think it's complete horseshit, just a way for Asprey to sell his ridiculously priced coffee. There mold pretty much everywhere and I think it's unavoidable. I actually bought his coffee before and noticed absolutely no difference with the coffee normally buy.More importantly, why are you taking the butter and coconut oil? You risk ruining your fasted state, thus losing the benefits of fasted training.
I've been cold brewing off and off since last fall after like you getting tired of waking up earlier to make coffee.So check this out:http://www.today.com/id/5728227#.UbX6NHVDtq0I haven't been able to find a whole lot else, so according to that one article it's saying about 2/3rd's the caffeine content of hot brewed.This website says this one brand has 61 mg caffene per fluid ounce http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/chameleon-cold-brew-coffeeI find the flavor of cold-brewed to be better than hot, and sometimes in the morning I just don't want to down a near boiling cup of liquid! Anecdotally speaking I think the cold brewed is easier on my stomach as well, if I down 2 cups of hot coffee and attempt running/sprinting my stomach definitely feels more upset than 2 cups of the cold brewed stuff.
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.Mycotoxins? I think it's complete horseshit, just a way for Asprey to sell his ridiculously priced coffee. There mold pretty much everywhere and I think it's unavoidable. I actually bought his coffee before and noticed absolutely no difference with the coffee normally buy.More importantly, why are you taking the butter and coconut oil? You risk ruining your fasted state, thus losing the benefits of fasted training.
I've been cold brewing off and off since last fall after like you getting tired of waking up earlier to make coffee.So check this out:http://www.today.com/id/5728227#.UbX6NHVDtq0I haven't been able to find a whole lot else, so according to that one article it's saying about 2/3rd's the caffeine content of hot brewed.This website says this one brand has 61 mg caffene per fluid ounce http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/chameleon-cold-brew-coffeeI find the flavor of cold-brewed to be better than hot, and sometimes in the morning I just don't want to down a near boiling cup of liquid! Anecdotally speaking I think the cold brewed is easier on my stomach as well, if I down 2 cups of hot coffee and attempt running/sprinting my stomach definitely feels more upset than 2 cups of the cold brewed stuff.
Oh my mistake! I thought you guys were referring to traditional iced coffee, which is brewed hot and cooled. I wasn't even aware that there was a way to brew coffee cold. But yea, I would imagine coffee made this way would have less caffeine and cafestol would be a concern since there is no filter.
I program my coffee maker to make coffee for me 15 minutes before I wake. I keep my HWC in the refrigerator so that it cools my coffee when I pour the hot coffee into the mug with cold HWC. Literally the second I seal the mug with the lid it is perfect temp to drink (or chug even). Just a tip from a guy that also hates waking up any earlier than I must.
I program my coffee maker to make coffee for me 15 minutes before I wake. I keep my HWC in the refrigerator so that it cools my coffee when I pour the hot coffee into the mug with cold HWC. Literally the second I seal the mug with the lid it is perfect temp to drink (or chug even). Just a tip from a guy that also hates waking up any earlier than I must.
He drinks coffee black. I also drink mine black, it takes awhile to cool down, but yea if you do put cream or butter in it, it cools down the coffee almost immediately.
I program my coffee maker to make coffee for me 15 minutes before I wake. I keep my HWC in the refrigerator so that it cools my coffee when I pour the hot coffee into the mug with cold HWC. Literally the second I seal the mug with the lid it is perfect temp to drink (or chug even). Just a tip from a guy that also hates waking up any earlier than I must.
He drinks coffee black. I also drink mine black, it takes awhile to cool down, but yea if you do put cream or butter in it, it cools down the coffee almost immediately.
I used to drink my coffee black until I started CNS and I like to use the HWC to help me reach my fat goals. But yeah... if you just don't like cream in your coffee, there's not much getting around that lol.
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.Mycotoxins? I think it's complete horseshit, just a way for Asprey to sell his ridiculously priced coffee. There mold pretty much everywhere and I think it's unavoidable. I actually bought his coffee before and noticed absolutely no difference with the coffee normally buy.More importantly, why are you taking the butter and coconut oil? You risk ruining your fasted state, thus losing the benefits of fasted training.
From everything I've read on these forums I was under the impression that pure fat (oil or butter) does not kick you out of the fasted state. Has new research said otherwise now?
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.Mycotoxins? I think it's complete horseshit, just a way for Asprey to sell his ridiculously priced coffee. There mold pretty much everywhere and I think it's unavoidable. I actually bought his coffee before and noticed absolutely no difference with the coffee normally buy.More importantly, why are you taking the butter and coconut oil? You risk ruining your fasted state, thus losing the benefits of fasted training.
From everything I've read on these forums I was under the impression that pure fat (oil or butter) does not kick you out of the fasted state. Has new research said otherwise now?
In this situation we are talking about a true fast, meaning no external sources of calories. The research that points to the increased growth signals from fasted training was done under the condition of a true fast. It is possible that eating just pure fat would not change anything, but we can't know for sure. Kiefer mentions this in chapter 43 in CBL.
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.
French press all the way.Tastes better, and I just dont have the time for the paper dtip method in the morning. I just put 4 scoops into a french press, fill in with a cold water, and let it sit for 24 hours. Next morning, I transfer the cold coffee to a water bottle, refill the french press, head off to the gym, rinse, repeat.
So check this out:http://www.today.com/id/5728227#.UbX6NHVDtq0I haven't been able to find a whole lot else, so according to that one article it's saying about 2/3rd's the caffeine content of hot brewed.This website says this one brand has 61 mg caffene per fluid ounce http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/chameleon-cold-brew-coffeeI find the flavor of cold-brewed to be better than hot, and sometimes in the morning I just don't want to down a near boiling cup of liquid! Anecdotally speaking I think the cold brewed is easier on my stomach as well, if I down 2 cups of hot coffee and attempt running/sprinting my stomach definitely feels more upset than 2 cups of the cold brewed stuff.
Less caffeine is disturbing, but Toddy only soaks their grounds for 12 hours and dilutes the concentrate with water. Not really comparable to a 24 hour soak without going to concentration and dilution.I def feel that caffeine kick. more than I did with a hot french press. Though that may be subjective.
When I train in the morning I just take caffeine pills, but the cold coffee is fine. As far the cafestol goes, it's referring to unfiltered coffee (french press, turkish coffee, campfire coffee, metal coffee filter). If you are using a standard coffee maker with a regular coffee filter you don't need to worry about that.
French press all the way.Tastes better, and I just dont have the time for the paper dtip method in the morning. I just put 4 scoops into a french press, fill in with a cold water, and let it sit for 24 hours. Next morning, I transfer the cold coffee to a water bottle, refill the french press, head off to the gym, rinse, repeat.
So check this out:http://www.today.com/id/5728227#.UbX6NHVDtq0I haven't been able to find a whole lot else, so according to that one article it's saying about 2/3rd's the caffeine content of hot brewed.This website says this one brand has 61 mg caffene per fluid ounce http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/chameleon-cold-brew-coffeeI find the flavor of cold-brewed to be better than hot, and sometimes in the morning I just don't want to down a near boiling cup of liquid! Anecdotally speaking I think the cold brewed is easier on my stomach as well, if I down 2 cups of hot coffee and attempt running/sprinting my stomach definitely feels more upset than 2 cups of the cold brewed stuff.
Less caffeine is disturbing, but Toddy only soaks their grounds for 12 hours and dilutes the concentrate with water. Not really comparable to a 24 hour soak without going to concentration and dilution.I def feel that caffeine kick. more than I did with a hot french press. Though that may be subjective.
I'm a big fan of the Clever Dripper; I recommend checking it out. Combines a french press with a manual dripper and only takes about 5 min to use in the morning and you could just drip it into a big mug full of ice cubes if ya wanted to make iced coffee.
If I am training fasted on a Sunday morning I normally get a Starbucks ice coffee with a shot of expresso. I love it! Especially now that its the Summer.
I'd ask this on the Bulletproof Forum, as most here wouldn't know about the mycotoxin questions. As for lifting performance/result, I can't imagine mycotoxins would have much of an impact… but again, a question for the Bulletproof Forum.One question I have for your is, "Why the fat before your AM training?" It seems slightly vague to me when Kiefer recommends only coffee for fasted workouts, vague as to whether or not he means to have the regular whipping-cream/heavy-cream recommendation left out of the pre-fasted-training coffee. Anybody? My concern is that there might be some nutrient-signaling from the coconut oil and butter that might interfere with the fasted training benefits. But I'm not an expert on the mechanisms behind fasted training and the relationship to nutrient-signaling... I just tend to avoid any unrecommended stuff, because, if guys like Kiefer aren't recommending it... it's probably not helping.
I'd ask this on the Bulletproof Forum, as most here wouldn't know about the mycotoxin questions. As for lifting performance/result, I can't imagine mycotoxins would have much of an impact... but again, a question for the Bulletproof Forum.One question I have for your is, "Why the fat before your AM training?" It seems slightly vague to me when Kiefer recommends only coffee for fasted workouts, vague as to whether or not he means to have the regular whipping-cream/heavy-cream recommendation left out of the pre-fasted-training coffee. Anybody? My concern is that there might be some nutrient-signaling from the coconut oil and butter that might interfere with the fasted training benefits. But I'm not an expert on the mechanisms behind fasted training and the relationship to nutrient-signaling... I just tend to avoid any unrecommended stuff, because, if guys like Kiefer aren't recommending it... it's probably not helping.
The people that have fat before AM training are not doing it correctly. It is supposed to be a true fast like you mentioned.
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