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What do you guys think of this article by Chad Smith: http://jtsstrength.com/articles/2013/09/26/conditioning-strength-athletes/? I personally never really conditioned. I always felt it was stupid and pointless for a powerlifter. I was also clueless how to properly implement it. It seemed like conditioning was just “run up a hill a couple times” and that was it.Smith outlines how strength athletes can use conditioning to improve performance. I am thinking about implementing this when I return to Density Bulking on October 7th. Last time I gained weight, conditioning and my work capacity went down the crapper. I was actually getter better gains when I switched to Strength Accumulation and lost some weight. So for me, I think conditioning while Density Bulking is a good idea.Thoughts?
I don't see having some sort of conditioning work is a bad thing. Knowing your limits and how to schedule it is key though. I was reading a article on liftbigeatbig.com about conditioning work. Gives some great pointers and routine split ideas. http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/08/simple-conditioning-for-fat-loss.html?m=1http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/08/beyond-running-simple-conditioning-pt-2.html?m=1I know fat loss is not the concern here but either way its a good read. I do agree that adding in say hill sprints while doing DB is ideal. Me personally, I would put the extra carbs to work so I 1) get stronger/bigger and 2) without the worry of glycogen spillage.
I don't see having some sort of conditioning work is a bad thing. Knowing your limits and how to schedule it is key though. I was reading a article on liftbigeatbig.com about conditioning work. Gives some great pointers and routine split ideas. http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/08/simple-conditioning-for-fat-loss.html?m=1http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/08/beyond-running-simple-conditioning-pt-2.html?m=1I know fat loss is not the concern here but either way its a good read. I do agree that adding in say hill sprints while doing DB is ideal. Me personally, I would put the extra carbs to work so I 1) get stronger/bigger and 2) without the worry of glycogen spillage.
The concern here is targeting the appropriate energy system for the sport in training. As Smith points out, for powerlifting and weightlifting, that energy system would be alactic anaerobic. I know almost nothing of energy systems, so I guess my question here is how is this energy system targeted?
I don't see having some sort of conditioning work is a bad thing. Knowing your limits and how to schedule it is key though. I was reading a article on liftbigeatbig.com about conditioning work. Gives some great pointers and routine split ideas. http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/08/simple-conditioning-for-fat-loss.html?m=1http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/08/beyond-running-simple-conditioning-pt-2.html?m=1I know fat loss is not the concern here but either way its a good read. I do agree that adding in say hill sprints while doing DB is ideal. Me personally, I would put the extra carbs to work so I 1) get stronger/bigger and 2) without the worry of glycogen spillage.
The concern here is targeting the appropriate energy system for the sport in training. As Smith points out, for powerlifting and weightlifting, that energy system would be alactic anaerobic. I know almost nothing of energy systems, so I guess my question here is how is this energy system targeted?
Do you feel like he missed something in the article?
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The concern here is targeting the appropriate energy system for the sport in training. As Smith points out, for powerlifting and weightlifting, that energy system would be alactic anaerobic. I know almost nothing of energy systems, so I guess my question here is how is this energy system targeted?
From an article I actually read yesterday that does a decent job of explaining them in simple terms. Doesn't get super in-depth, but gives a pretty solid overview:
To make things easier, here’s a simplified (yet telling) relationship of how the energy systems pan out in terms of % contribution if you were to start out sprinting in a straight line, not stopping until you passed out from exhaustion. •alactic anaerobic = going at start of explosive exercise until your muscles start burning •lactic anaerobic = muscles burning, trying to maintain high intensity •aerobic = high intensity can’t be maintained, huffing and puffing begins and activity slows
I read that too Mr Jiggy. I would assume it would be done the same say as a Max Effort. Going full force, but with a complete rest period to give another Max Full Force Effort. So it will tap into those energy systems you're referring to. At least just my thought on it.
On a personal note, I think that keeping some sort of “conditioning” in your training is always beneficial. For someone interested in maximizing force production, as most of us here are, I prefer to keep the work short and intense and the rest periods longer between bouts. While Tabata-style intervals may be slightly better for optimization from a fat-loss perspective, it is probably actually counter productive for what you'd be looking for from a strength and power perspective.Hitting a sprint (or something similarly explosive) for 10-15 seconds and then allowing yourself an appropriate amount of time to fully recover for the next set (2-5 minutes, maybe) before hitting it again. Whatever allows you to hit all of your "reps" with maximal force.
I think conditioning is beneficial for strength athletes, I think one of the easiest way's would be to use a heart rate monitor. If I were you I'd get a decent size tire and do sled pulls, it's cheap, easy, and effective.Other option is farmers walks for distance with moderate weight. I'd also have one day a week where you do a heavy sled/prowler/car for 15 seconds or so then rest 90-120 seconds, it will work a different energy system but it will also work on power production.I notice that my performance goes in the crapper when I neglect any kind of conditioning work.I noticed that he had density training listed as an option and I've always enjoyed EMOM as a great way to work conditioning while being both enjoyable and helping groove motor patterns.
So what are the plans for conditioning work? Just curious if there was an idea of what to do and how to go about doing it.
So what are the plans for conditioning work? Just curious if there was an idea of what to do and how to go about doing it.
I was thinking maybe giving those bike tempos a shot. I might do density training and controlled rest periods on backdown sets too. I actually have done density training before without even knowing it. It did work rather well.
Awesome. I'll take a gander again over the link. I know the meet is later but figuring you'll do this in the mornings or don't really matter too much?
Love sled work for conditioning. Been thinking about getting one of these for next spring:http://www.roguefitness.com/s-35e-rogue-e-sled.phpAnd it's collapsible for easy transportation.
Awesome. I'll take a gander again over the link. I know the meet is later but figuring you'll do this in the mornings or don't really matter too much?
I'll just do it when I have time. I am not a morning person, so rolling out of bed to do conditioning is not something I am willing to do. The Density Training and the controlled rest periods would just take place during the workouts.
Awesome. I'll take a gander again over the link. I know the meet is later but figuring you'll do this in the mornings or don't really matter too much?
I'll just do it when I have time. I am not a morning person, so rolling out of bed to do conditioning is not something I am willing to do. The Density Training and the controlled rest periods would just take place during the workouts.
I could do it in the mornings, but it would be a bit. Never really enjoyed getting straight up to do stuff like that. The drive is what kills the mood at times. I need to read over the DT
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