Confusion: Junk or no junk?

[Zeniues]

Melvin McLain wrote:

It’s simply scientifically proven that calories in <-> calories out is not in anyway a true paradigm.

Well… sort of.

However, it your caloric intake exceeds your “bottom line” of calories burned (including the CNS/CBL timing, hormonal adjustments, etc. etc.)…

Then indeed… if “bottom line” calories in are equal/greater than calories used, you’re not going to lose weight.

CNS/CBL aren’t magical protocols. You still can’t outrun the law of physics.

Ehm, do you know the second law of thermodynamics?

ibobland08

Thanks, that was the picture I was beginning to form myself and it makes sense. I’ll just have to experiment with what works for me.

[Jenelle Brewer]

Zeniues wrote:

It’s simply scientifically proven that calories in <-> calories out is not in anyway a true paradigm.

What’s been proven is that all calories are not created equal … “A calorie is a calorie” is not true. Different foods have different effects on our bodies, some are stored more easily than others, some are used to repair and rebuild, some require more energy to digest than they even contain. Kiefer explains this in his podcasts.

You’re right, that his programs are about nutrient timing, and you generally don’t “need” to count calories. But the fact remains: If you are consuming more energy than your body requires, it has no reason to tap into your fat stores.

[Melvin McLain]

Zeniues wrote:
Ehm, do you know the second law of thermodynamics?

I know it doesn’t allow you to eat unlimited calories… 😀

I’ll agree that “calories” may not be the most accurate way to measure food-energy, but neither are they completely useless.

Calories are just another tool to monitor food intake, and can help give you a general idea of maintenance food-intake requirements. And if you don’t eat less than maintenance requires, you will simply maintain (or gain).

Having said that… burning fat and building muscle simultaneously (re-comping) can confuse the whole food-intake issue even more.

[Zeniues]

Melvin McLain wrote:

Zeniues wrote:
Ehm, do you know the second law of thermodynamics?

I know it doesn’t allow you to eat unlimited calories…

I’ll agree that “calories” may not be the most accurate way to measure food-energy, but neither are they completely useless.

Calories are just another tool to monitor food intake, and can help give you a general idea of maintenance food-intake requirements. And if you don’t eat less than maintenance requires, you will simply maintain (or gain).

Having said that… burning fat and building muscle simultaneously (re-comping) can confuse the whole food-intake issue even more.

No, there are way too many factors to say that it’s about getting enough energy to maintain or not. If you get the energy at the wrong time of the day, it won’t be metabolized. If you get the wrong kind of energy, it won’t be metabolized. If your fat-burning hormones are high you will need more, if they are low, you will need less. What you imagine to be a simple equation is more like trying to do sudoko while walking a tight rope. If you think it is simple it is because you do not understand it. This is the case with almost all things.

[Melvin McLain]

Zeniues wrote:
No, there are way too many factors to say that it’s about getting enough energy to maintain or not. If you get the energy at the wrong time of the day, it won’t be metabolized. If you get the wrong kind of energy, it won’t be metabolized. If your fat-burning hormones are high you will need more, if they are low, you will need less. What you imagine to be a simple equation is more like trying to do sudoko while walking a tight rope. If you think it is simple it is because you do not understand it. This is the case with almost all things.

If you think I said it’s simple, then you’re not paying attention. These circumstances are exactly what I was referring to in the “bottom line” statement earlier.

There is still an energy usage total, including all the manipulation and advantages that CBL/CNS provide (which can vary daily according to the protocols in use). And if there’s no deficit between that usage total and food intake, your body has little reason to access fat stores.

Have a nice day. 🙂

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