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I'm 6'2″, 245. Under 10% bf.I train 5-6 days a week, moderate-high intensity (not to Dorian levels...my tendons just can't take it anymore!) and am closer to high-volume than high-intensuty!I am also in the midst of an anabolics cycle (I mention this because I haven't seen much discussion about it and wonder how this impacts the effects of CBL), about 3 weeks into the cycle.I have been following (somewhat) the basic tenets of CBL for over a year and had great results.Before I go into detail, I will say that I use Humapro exclusively when using supplemental protein. If part of a reply would be attempting to get me to switch to whey of casein, I'll go ahead and tell you that you're wasting your keystrokes. Whey and casein (regardless of brand or quality) turn my guts to water. I've used Humapro as a supplemental protein for the past 2 1/2 years and have, at times, used it as my SOLE protein for up to 4 weeks at a time with zero muscle loss.So....Here's my current plan for training days.I'm not eating breakfast, as recommended, so waking at 7:00, it goes:7:00 1. 1 scoop Humapro, coffee.9:30 2. 2 scoops Humapro, coffee, 3 Tbsp heavy cream11:00 3. 6 Omega-3 eggs, 2 slices cheese, 2 oz ham1:00 4. 10 oz. dark meat chicken, 2-3 Tbsp EVOO, green beans3:00 5. 2 scoops Humapro, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter5:00 6. 2 scoops Humapro, 3 Tbsp Coconut Oil, 16 oz. coffee.6:00 Training... Drink 3 scoops Chain'd Out. (contains 21g leucine, isoleucine, valine)30 minutes post-training... 2 scoops Humapro, 50g carbs from hi GI powder (waxy, dextrose, maltodextrin, Chain'd Reaction)Now, the part that I'm really hoping I have right!...I'm still working out the actual carb amounts (input appreciated!), so for now, I'm just listing food choices.60 minutes post-PWO shake....Rice Krispies, skim mild, over-ripe bananas. Crescent Rolls, JellySecond CBL meal... Donuts, crescent rolls, jelly, white bread, burgers, friesOther food choice suggestions would be greatly appreciated. The reason I ask is when I read other plans and programs, I see people being told "this or that is a bad carb choice"... I bought the e-book and am kind of surprised there isn't just a simple list of "choose from these foods at these times".Jump in guys, all input appreciated!
All your carb choices look good.If you want to use Humapro that's fine, but don't use it so often like you are, you will spike insulin a lot more then a whole food meal of fat and protein and will make it CBL less effective. Really the only time we would suggest using protein supplements is during the backload.Also, I'd suggest adding some coconut or MCT oil, maybe switch out the the heavy cream at 9:30 and the EVOO switch to either CO/MCT oil or butter.Edit. I'm not sure how the use of anabolic would effect CBL so the use of humapro as often as you currently are might be fine, but in general only using protein supplements in the backload is the way to go.
Sorry I don't have much input as far as your current set-up goes but I did want to ask you about Humapro.I was thinking about trying it but would probably only use it pre/post-workout and possibly with my higher-carb meals. I don't have a problem whey or casein but I've heard good things about Humapro.I guess I don't have any specific questions but you obviously really like it, correct? Did you noticed an improvement in body-comp when you began using it?Any info you've got would be greatly appreciated, thanks!Ben
All your carb choices look good.If you want to use Humapro that's fine, but don't use it so often like you are, you will spike insulin a lot more then a whole food meal of fat and protein and will make it CBL less effective. Really the only time we would suggest using protein supplements is during the backload.Also, I'd suggest adding some coconut or MCT oil, maybe switch out the the heavy cream at 9:30 and the EVOO switch to either CO/MCT oil or butter.Edit. I'm not sure how the use of anabolic would effect CBL so the use of humapro as often as you currently are might be fine, but in general only using protein supplements in the backload is the way to go.
Okay, so I'll move my HP usage to post workout and with my CBL. I'm going to keep it for my AM protein...I just checked with Author (owner of ALRI) and he assured me that it won't spike insulin in that small amount. For the other meals, I'll use whole food.Now, for the butter usage: Regular, or grass-fed? Does it matter?How about some additional carb source options?
Sorry I don't have much input as far as your current set-up goes but I did want to ask you about Humapro.I was thinking about trying it but would probably only use it pre/post-workout and possibly with my higher-carb meals. I don't have a problem whey or casein but I've heard good things about Humapro.I guess I don't have any specific questions but you obviously really like it, correct? Did you noticed an improvement in body-comp when you began using it?Any info you've got would be greatly appreciated, thanks!Ben
I love, L-O-V-E, it!I did notice a leaner look to myself, that's likely as much from the lower calories of 2 scoops HP(40 cal) vs. 56g whey (@225 cal) as the claimed repartitioning effects of the product. Also, I was less bloated and held less water. That's just me. I will use it for as long as it's manufactured.Give it a shot. Use a couple of tubs...what's the worst that happens, you're out $80? I think it's worth the shot.
All your carb choices look good.If you want to use Humapro that's fine, but don't use it so often like you are, you will spike insulin a lot more then a whole food meal of fat and protein and will make it CBL less effective. Really the only time we would suggest using protein supplements is during the backload.Also, I'd suggest adding some coconut or MCT oil, maybe switch out the the heavy cream at 9:30 and the EVOO switch to either CO/MCT oil or butter.Edit. I'm not sure how the use of anabolic would effect CBL so the use of humapro as often as you currently are might be fine, but in general only using protein supplements in the backload is the way to go.
Okay, so I'll move my HP usage to post workout and with my CBL. I'm going to keep it for my AM protein...I just checked with Author (owner of ALRI) and he assured me that it won't spike insulin in that small amount. For the other meals, I'll use whole food.Now, for the butter usage: Regular, or grass-fed? Does it matter?How about some additional carb source options?
Grass-fed is always the better option to get. If you can get grass-fed beef or dairy products then go for it.If you can't get grass-fed I'd likely just suggest coconut oil instead.As for carbs, just avoid fiber, use higher starch stuff, dextrose is great, and sugar is good but it can be possible to over do on the fructose. The only thing I'd suggest on carbs is to go 3-4 weeks gluten free and see if you notice a difference. Many people don't think they have an issue with gluten but when they remove it they find they feel better, preform better, and for some people, have a better body comp.
Sorry I don't have much input as far as your current set-up goes but I did want to ask you about Humapro.I was thinking about trying it but would probably only use it pre/post-workout and possibly with my higher-carb meals. I don't have a problem whey or casein but I've heard good things about Humapro.I guess I don't have any specific questions but you obviously really like it, correct? Did you noticed an improvement in body-comp when you began using it?Any info you've got would be greatly appreciated, thanks!Ben
I love, L-O-V-E, it!I did notice a leaner look to myself, that's likely as much from the lower calories of 2 scoops HP(40 cal) vs. 56g whey (@225 cal) as the claimed repartitioning effects of the product. Also, I was less bloated and held less water. That's just me. I will use it for as long as it's manufactured.Give it a shot. Use a couple of tubs...what's the worst that happens, you're out $80? I think it's worth the shot.
Good point. I've spent enough money on ultra-turbo NOS pre-workout hyper-bosster 5000 already anyways lol
Golden Grahams are higher GI than Rice Krispies…are they acceptable? I ask because General Mills slaps the “WHOLE GRAIN!!!” label on all their cereals.
Golden Grahams are higher GI than Rice Krispies...are they acceptable? I ask because General Mills slaps the "WHOLE GRAIN!!!" label on all their cereals.
Hmm, I haven't really looked into them, but providing they don't have any fiber I'm sure they'd be okay at least here and there.
Golden Grahams are higher GI than Rice Krispies...are they acceptable? I ask because General Mills slaps the "WHOLE GRAIN!!!" label on all their cereals.
Hmm, I haven't really looked into them, but providing they don't have any fiber I'm sure they'd be okay at least here and there.
So "whole grain" isn't the issue...it's the fiber that I need to avoid.
Golden Grahams are higher GI than Rice Krispies...are they acceptable? I ask because General Mills slaps the "WHOLE GRAIN!!!" label on all their cereals.
Hmm, I haven't really looked into them, but providing they don't have any fiber I'm sure they'd be okay at least here and there.
So "whole grain" isn't the issue...it's the fiber that I need to avoid.
Well, whole grains still aren't great, but I'd imagine they are still fairly sugary and insulin spiking. You could always try and if you notice things going the wrong way take them out.
I keep researching “fun” foods and the ones I love aren't high GI…dammit!!!I love my homemade banana pudding. But while the Nilla wafers and banana fit, the pudding, sour cream and Cool Whip do not! Aaaaggghhhhh!!!!!
I keep researching "fun" foods and the ones I love aren't high GI...dammit!!!I love my homemade banana pudding. But while the Nilla wafers and banana fit, the pudding, sour cream and Cool Whip do not! Aaaaggghhhhh!!!!!
Why wouldn't they?Sure I wouldn't do it every night, but it's fucking Banana pudding, that's where it's at.GI is not the best measurement, the insulin index is better.A rule of thumb is to avoid "Bro carbs" aside from sweet potatoes. Brown rice, oats, whole wheat breads kinda thing.
hey man, I also am on an anabolic cycle ad doing CBL, the main difference that needs to be made is the higher protein intake (due to increased nitrogen retention on gear). The diet calls for 1g of protein per pound body weight but I'm closer to 2 grams per pound on cycle. So the extra protein shakes and etc I moved all either immediately pre workout and then during my backloads to avoid spiking insulin during the day or having increase fats too much to match the protein and going wayy to high with calories. Just my two cents, and apparently General Mills is gluten free now! SO reese puffs, rice chex and rice crispies with almond milk, dex and chocolate Whey all mixed together is my go to SUPER bowl of cereal haha
I've changed all of my meals prior to training to whole food.Been using Rice Krispies/bananas, Fruity Pebbles, Golden Grahams, sticky rice, instant potatoes, fresh bakery apple turnovers and ice cream.Now, I don't know if this is placebo (if it is, I'll take it!), but I look tighter every morning am a few pounds lighter, but am fuller and stronger in the gym.It's been a week...is that long enough to start to see changes?
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