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http://carbsanity.blogspot.ca/2011/08/glucose-and-nefa-from-dysfunctional.htmlshould we be concerned?
I admit I did not read it very well, in fact I skipped large parts. But from some of the reading I did, there are some unsustainable assertions:" but high carb/low fat seems the more logical approach to long term restoration of insulin sensitivity. "Hmmmm. High carb merely stimulates insulin more and more, but yet this should make cells more sensitive to it?
“a ketogenic diet has been shown to hasten the progression of diabetes in a genetic diabetic rat mode”...How the f*** does that work? Trying to keep an open mind, but most of the points don't seem to make much sense to me.
I didn't read it because I really can't stand the carb sane lady.If you are having periodic re-feeds (CNS or CBL) then I'd say it's likely about the healthiest diet you could do.Robb Wolf loves CBL and thinks that if you use a more paleo template it's one of the best "diets" to follow.
I read the whole thing but am not knowledgeable enough with hard science to be able to debate the facts. But I do remember reading I think in carb nite Kiefer saying prolonged keto diets can lead to insulin resistance. But with carb nite that is being offset. I will admit though that I wish I could hear someone debate the hard science rather than just dismiss her outright.
http://carbsanity.blogspot.ca/2012/12/robb-wolf-on-role-of-calories-vs.html?m=1Here's some interesting quotes from Robb wolf saying he believes you do need a deficit to lose weight. I also feel this may be true because there a lot of people on this board and I'm sure elsewhere who report not losing weight or very little. And if you look at the evidence empirically of people who go from obese to ripped all have owed a deficit diet. I have read taubes work but still remain skeptical of the idea that one can eat more than the body requires and lose weight. Honestly I lost more fat and got ripped eating at a slight deficit eating 100-150carbs a day and modest fat and med high protein. I I went from 30% to 8. On carb night after comparable time I was only able to go from 21% to 15%. Even Kiefer himself said that to reach ultra low be levels one must "watch" amount they eat more closely. What do you guys think?
http://carbsanity.blogspot.ca/2012/12/robb-wolf-on-role-of-calories-vs.html?m=1Here's some interesting quotes from Robb wolf saying he believes you do need a deficit to lose weight. I also feel this may be true because there a lot of people on this board and I'm sure elsewhere who report not losing weight or very little. And if you look at the evidence empirically of people who go from obese to ripped all have owed a deficit diet. I have read taubes work but still remain skeptical of the idea that one can eat more than the body requires and lose weight. Honestly I lost more fat and got ripped eating at a slight deficit eating 100-150carbs a day and modest fat and med high protein. I I went from 30% to 8. On carb night after comparable time I was only able to go from 21% to 15%. Even Kiefer himself said that to reach ultra low be levels one must "watch" amount they eat more closely. What do you guys think?
I agree, calories come into play. I don't think that they are as important as some people make them out to be, but especially to get to super low levels of BF it needs to be more closely controlled.I don't count what I eat, but I eat the same thing ever day and the fat comes of very easily.I still can't stand the carb sane lady, mostly because of her attitude.On the matter of insulin resistance from prolonged keto dieting I recommend giving this a read.http://www.marksdailyapple.com/does-eating-low-carb-cause-insulin-resistance/#axzz2FwHSBPgp
I read the whole thing but am not knowledgeable enough with hard science to be able to debate the facts. But I do remember reading I think in carb nite Kiefer saying prolonged keto diets can lead to insulin resistance. But with carb nite that is being offset. I will admit though that I wish I could hear someone debate the hard science rather than just dismiss her outright.
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If you are having periodic re-feeds (CNS or CBL) then I'd say it's likely about the healthiest diet you could do.
I read some of the article/blog and a would agree with the above point. I think the problems arise from a prolonged ULC period (months?) without a refeed.I am no scientist, and any ideas from those familiar with this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
If you are having periodic re-feeds (CNS or CBL) then I'd say it's likely about the healthiest diet you could do.
I read some of the article/blog and a would agree with the above point. I think the problems arise from a prolonged ULC period (months?) without a refeed.I am no scientist, and any ideas from those familiar with this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Guy, this link from Trevor to Marks Daily apple really cleared things up for me. Which basically states that during prolonged Keto diets, the body naturally becomes IR as a way to preserve what little blood glucose is left for the brain. But this is not due to the same type of IR that develops when one is type2 DB where the cells basically stop responding to insulin due to put in laymans terms "worn out".I think the key is common sense, I don't think anyone on these boards anyways feels one should want to or need to be on an undending keto diet for life. But rather using ULC days strategically to achieve specific objectives.
Regarding calories: I think if you're obese and want to get to a 'healthy weight' there is absolutely no need to count calories on CNS.Kiefer does say that people who are already fairly low bf% and want to get shredded need to be stricter with calories on ULC days. Personally, I hate counting calories, and would rather just knowingly slightly under eat according to hunger on ULC days.
Regarding calories: I think if you're obese and want to get to a 'healthy weight' there is absolutely no need to count calories on CNS.Kiefer does say that people who are already fairly low bf% and want to get shredded need to be stricter with calories on ULC days. Personally, I hate counting calories, and would rather just knowingly slightly under eat according to hunger on ULC days.
I agree to an extent, however if they're not counting calories and drinking several cups of coffee with cream with their salads drenched in mayo... they're not gonna get the desired results.I find just eating a moderate meal 3x a day with 2 snacks thrown in there if required works best for me.
I have heard before that prolonged use of low carb diets can lead to insulin resistance. As the author of the article points out though, is if you have periodic carb ups and exercise, this isn't going to be an issue.Somebody brought up Robb Wolf and he always says low carb is great to fix people that are metabolically deranged and have to lose weight, but once you are at a healthy weight, especially if you are active, a low carb diet really isn't appropriate.
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