dangers of a high fat diet over time…

[tzanghi]

I read the whole thing but am not knowledgeable enough with hard science to be able to debate the facts. But I do remember reading I think in carb nite Kiefer saying prolonged keto diets can lead to insulin resistance. But with carb nite that is being offset. I will admit though that I wish I could hear someone debate the hard science rather than just dismiss her outright.

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While I agree to a certain extent, I must say that not everything is worth refuting.  If someone told me 2+2=5, I wouldn't bother refuting them.  A lot of people may say they do this diet because of the science behind it, and that may even be why I tried it, but the truth is that if it didn't work, I wouldn't be doing it.  So even if the science doesn't back it up according to this lady, I don't care if I'm getting healthier and leaner or bigger and I'm enjoying myself.

[carlos valencia]

If you are having periodic re-feeds (CNS or CBL) then I'd say it's likely about the healthiest diet you could do.

I read some of the article/blog and a would agree with the above point. I think the problems arise from a prolonged ULC period (months?) without a refeed.I am no scientist, and any ideas from those familiar with this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Guy, this link from Trevor to Marks Daily apple really cleared things up for me. Which basically states that during prolonged Keto diets, the body naturally becomes IR as a way to preserve what little blood glucose is left for the brain. But this is not due to the same type of IR that develops when one is type2 DB where the cells basically stop responding to insulin due to put in laymans terms "worn out".I think the key is common sense, I don't think anyone on these boards anyways feels one should want to or need to be on an undending keto diet for life. But rather using ULC days strategically to achieve specific objectives.

Thank you. Daily Apple  has some interesting articles.

[Macdon1588]

Regarding calories: I think if you're obese and want to get to a 'healthy weight' there is absolutely no need to count calories on CNS.Kiefer does say that people who are already fairly low bf% and want to get shredded need to be stricter with calories on ULC days. Personally, I hate counting calories, and would rather just knowingly slightly under eat according to hunger on ULC days.

I agree to an extent, however if they're not counting calories and drinking several cups of coffee with cream with their salads drenched in mayo... they're not gonna get the desired results.I find just eating a moderate meal 3x a day with 2 snacks thrown in there if required works best for me.

I don't like liquid calories, be it fat or carb.  I bet when people use mayo or oils, they vastly underestimate the caloric value. Having done keto cycles in the past, I know that calories aren't as important as they are in other diets.  Having stalled at keto diets, I know there's more to the picture.  Looking at the CBL, CNS plans, I'm willing to wager that, if you ate until you were full on fatty meats, you'd find that calorie wise, you'd be in the ball park of your maintenance caloric intake.  Given that protein takes more energy to process and given the various characteristics of fat, the total about of calories available to your body with be less.  So, provided you're not gluttonous, calories won't really matter. 

[stumprrp]

Someone like myself still has to be cautious about calories on ULC because i can eat eggs/bacon/beef all day long and not get full.  I actually get fuller eating carbs usually.

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