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I literally started writing up a new post for y'all to see and discuss in regards to how the “1:1” came to be and the necessary route that should be done to make CBL/CNS work effectively. As someone else put it the lack of communication and the miscommunication throughout the year spread this “gospel” around to where, well, it deemed the truth and right path to take. Now I can understand the frustration everyone is having with fat loss, and I want to apologize for that and not clarifing the correct information with the main man himself. Not wanting to over step any type of boundaries, I am sure Kiefer will address this himself or give the go to have this fixed. More information will probably be figured out soon. Again I do apologize y'all.
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
You read correctly...I'm sorry.What seems to be ideal (don't hold me to this) but from what I read and gathered is that .5g in Fats and 1g in Proteins for the target body weight.
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
I cant tell you which one is right. What I can tell you is from this quote, it would seem that 145g protein and 90g of fat would be correct, because kiefer quoted a 1:1 ratio of calories, not grams. Hence the confusion.
I literally started writing up a new post for y'all to see and discuss in regards to how the "1:1" came to be and the necessary route that should be done to make CBL/CNS work effectively. As someone else put it the lack of communication and the miscommunication throughout the year spread this "gospel" around to where, well, it deemed the truth and right path to take. Now I can understand the frustration everyone is having with fat loss, and I want to apologize for that and not clarifing the correct information with the main man himself. Not wanting to over step any type of boundaries, I am sure Kiefer will address this himself or give the go to have this fixed. More information will probably be figured out soon. Again I do apologize y'all.
No problem tex, you were saying what you thought was right at the time, so its no big deal. The lack of overall communication is not any fault of yours.
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
No i believe the 1:1 ratio in this cause is referring to Calories, not grams.So since fat has 9 calories per gram, and protein 4 calories/ gram, its coming out to: 1 calorie of protein : 1 calorie of fatSince your only doing 1/2 the amount of fat per lb of target body weight.So if for me, my target would be 150 lbs LBM I would eat 75g of fat for the day, and 150 g of protein.
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
You read correctly...I'm sorry.What seems to be ideal (don't hold me to this) but from what I read and gathered is that .5g in Fats and 1g in Proteins for the target body weight.
So I've been way over consuming fat.... :-I'll make that adjustment and see how things go the next few weeks.And no apologies sir! Just good to have someone correct you when something gets misread or when new information comes out. Thank you!
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
I cant tell you which one is right. What I can tell you is from this quote, it would seem that 145g protein and 90g of fat would be correct, because kiefer quoted a 1:1 ratio of calories, not grams. Hence the confusion.
I literally started writing up a new post for y'all to see and discuss in regards to how the "1:1" came to be and the necessary route that should be done to make CBL/CNS work effectively. As someone else put it the lack of communication and the miscommunication throughout the year spread this "gospel" around to where, well, it deemed the truth and right path to take. Now I can understand the frustration everyone is having with fat loss, and I want to apologize for that and not clarifing the correct information with the main man himself. Not wanting to over step any type of boundaries, I am sure Kiefer will address this himself or give the go to have this fixed. More information will probably be figured out soon. Again I do apologize y'all.
No problem tex, you were saying what you thought was right at the time, so its no big deal. The lack of overall communication is not any fault of yours.
Yeah still though, I personally feel like a turd because of the fact of other members having difficulty losing body fat, to be honest like myself, but now things are clearing up for the better. Like I said a long time ago, I'm on the road to gathering knowledge, no matter how old I get I will never stop learning or having that want to learn. To better myself to help those better themselves.
Im still very skeptical of these, even if it is direct from Kiefer.That means, unless im not understanding this correctly, im eating roughly 1200 cals a day.
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
You read correctly...I'm sorry.What seems to be ideal (don't hold me to this) but from what I read and gathered is that .5g in Fats and 1g in Proteins for the target body weight.
So I've been way over consuming fat.... :-I'll make that adjustment and see how things go the next few weeks.And no apologies sir! Just good to have someone correct you when something gets misread or when new information comes out. Thank you!
Most welcome Ma'am!
I don't think any harm is done…I still lost weight eating the same amount gram-wise. Will be a nice change in my diet to switch it up anyhow. We all know the best information isn't static. I just appreciate you guys posting things that change. I only use the forums as a resource so this was helpful 🙂
Im still very skeptical of these, even if it is direct from Kiefer.That means, unless im not understanding this correctly, im eating roughly 1200 cals a day.
See below. also note, can be tweaked.
"For pure fat loss, you need a ratio of protein cal:fat cal of roughly 1:1. That means you'll intake roughly 1/2 the amount of fat by mass. So, calculate your protein needs - 145lb - so, as Tony's back-of-the-envelope calculation says, that'd be about 1/2 g per pound of target body weight worth of fat each day - so wouldn't half a gram per pound of 145lb worth of fat be 90g of fat? Does this mean I would need 145g of protein and 90g of fat?
I've been doing .8g of fat and .8g of protein per day. So about 116g of EACH. Which one is correct? I apologize ahead of time if I'm not reading it right.... :-
You read correctly...I'm sorry.What seems to be ideal (don't hold me to this) but from what I read and gathered is that .5g in Fats and 1g in Proteins for the target body weight.
So I've been way over consuming fat.... :-I'll make that adjustment and see how things go the next few weeks.And no apologies sir! Just good to have someone correct you when something gets misread or when new information comes out. Thank you!
I would also like to note that Kiefer said you jmaybe able to consume more fat depending on body size, dieting history ect. This set up gives my a daily intake around 1800 calories, which is a little extreme, given that we only are having one night off diet. I ran it at a 2400 calorie level and had success. So, still tweak, but if you have been stuck, this could be why.
I don't think any harm is done…I still lost weight eating the same amount gram-wise. Will be a nice change in my diet to switch it up anyhow. We all know the best information isn't static. I just appreciate you guys posting things that change. I only use the forums as a resource so this was helpful
(And of course I have the books.....)Didn't do the math on the calories yet...I totally quoted myself. Awesome.
Im still very skeptical of these, even if it is direct from Kiefer.That means, unless im not understanding this correctly, im eating roughly 1200 cals a day.
Which is why I'm standing by for more information. Pure Fat Loss Protocol I'm sure. HOWEVER I believe it would be a baseline, and something to shoot for. If you're feeling on the low side, the recommendation to up the fat for that given day is probably still very high on the "To-Do" list. Thus the reasoning behind listening and understanding your own body.
I swore I had it, but I guess I was wrong.I had thought Kiefer discussed this in his interview in the Sept/Oct edition of the power mag and said 1:1 in gram.Oh well, what I'm doing is working and I feel I would likely be way to low on calories if I changed it.I do think it would work well with CBL, 1:1 in calories for the day is just about what I did while using CBL.
To me its more of a concern with CNS. With CBL, you wont be nearly as low over a weak because you are consuming carbs more often. 1800 pre workout + 210*4 = 2640, which is only 400 calories below maintenance for me. So to lose weight at a significant rate, you would need that low cal ULC day. For carbnite, i would assume one would bump the calories slightly, but I could be wrong. Thats what I would do.
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